*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Wesley]

Apparently not everyone is happy with TAM going to the SEC! (That's my opinion based on absolutely nothing)


RB Mister Jones leaves Texas A&M - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Fred? Wait. Wrong sport.

 

[oldwiseman]

The problem is where do those teams come from? You can't pick weak schools or you are just weakening your position for contract negotiations later.

Funny, for the last 2 weeks we've been asking everyone, "why not ISU?" Now we have people posting that you can't take weak teams because it weakens the conference and our negotiating power. Funny how one rumor putting us in a position of power rather than powerless can change everything.

 

[State43]

Funny, for the last 2 weeks we've been asking everyone, "why not ISU?" Now we have people posting that you can't take weak teams because it weakens the conference and our negotiating power. Funny how one rumor putting us in a position of power rather than powerless can change everything.

+10000 I was thinking the same thing.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Funny, for the last 2 weeks we've been asking everyone, "why not ISU?" Now we have people posting that you can't take weak teams because it weakens the conference and our negotiating power. Funny how one rumor putting us in a position of power rather than powerless can change everything.

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[StLouisClone]

I agree thats probably the easiest solution. But you still have a pretty big seperation of the top teams. You've got UT, OU, OSU and TT in one side, and probably only Mizzou on the other side. Those are probably the top 5 football teams right now. You could argue Pitt vs. TT, but I think I'd side with TT.

Obviously, we are putting the cart before the horse here, but its an interesting discussion nevertheless.

OU and Texas will want to stay in the same division. The winner of that division will also like their chances in the Big 12 championship game.

 

[Wesley]

I hope this "distraction talk" results in the "Big 12" name dying and a new conference name/branding emerging with 3 teams added.

A new name like B2G The 2 is OU and UT and it also means we have 12 teams and we are more than the B1G.

 

[benjay]

Funny, for the last 2 weeks we've been asking everyone, "why not ISU?" Now we have people posting that you can't take weak teams because it weakens the conference and our negotiating power. Funny how one rumor putting us in a position of power rather than powerless can change everything.

funny thread to be sure

 

[Bestaluckcy]

NEVER go beyond 12. That is my only request.

I like the number 12 too. But if the other 3 major conferences insist on going to 16, I could see where we have to have some options also. So we could look at adding BYU and TCU to get to 14. Then have Notre Dame and Arkansas round us up to everyone's magic number.

As a side note notice how Texas gets another gig into TCU if we stay at 12.

 

[CycloneJames]

OU and Texas will want to stay in the same division. The winner of that division will also like their chances in the Big 12 championship game.

Do you think they really need to be in the same division? They could be a "protected rival" like in the B1G. Hell, why not just have 3-4 proetected rivals and play everyone else on a rotating schedule. ISU would play KU, KSU, and MU every year. Then just have the top 2 teams play for a championship. Sure, it could be a re-match, but thats a possiblity anyway. Just spit-balling ideas here...

 

[ISUAgronomist]

A new name like B2G The 2 is OU and UT and it also means we have 12 teams and we are more than the B1G.

When we go Super-dooper-conference it will become the B26 :wink:

 

[Wesley]

The only reason I can think of this is because with the 3 teams he quoted (Louisville, Pitt, and Cincy) are all out east. There is no reason to make this conference waste money flying any of them out to BYU. It sounds like if we go back to 12 teams we add the 3 Big East schools. If we go to 10 then I see it being BYU.

No problem. Just be quiet. This is a much beter scenario than Slickster Boren was projecting two days ago. Thought we might have been chizclacked.

 

[Wesley]

If that happened would Mizzou then be in the south-ish division? You'd have ISU, KU, KSU, Pitt, Louisville, and Cinci in the "northeast-ish" division, and Mizzou, OU, OSU, UT, TT, and Baylor in the "southwest-ish" division?

If eastish and westish, maybe KSU swaps with MO.

 

[3GenClone]

Apparently not everyone is happy with TAM going to the SEC! (That's my opinion based on absolutely nothing)


RB Mister Jones leaves Texas A&M - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Fred? Wait. Wrong sport.

You see Mister Jones and your first thought is FRED Jones????

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The 90s is disappointed with you Wesley...

 

[oldwiseman]

Does anyone have an actual article backing this rumor up? Right now it seems everyone is under the impression we have 12 teams and all is well??? While I think the Big 12 is safe for a number of reasons, this rumor of the 3 big East teams joining the Big 12 certainly isn't a done deal.

 

[aeroclone]

Interesting that you are applying the logic of taking from any other BCS league will cause the super conference dominoes to fall. If the Big 12 did not take from another BCS conference, they would be weakening their position in the future. Sealing there own fate of being poached.

The Big East has always been susceptible. If the Big 12 does nothing, there are doomed. If they go out and do something like this, they give themselves a fighting chance to expand.

The remaining BE football schools would be in need of a home. The SEC will already be circling since they are going to be sitting at an awkward 13. The B1G and ACC will see that and look to move first to try and get their top choices. The problem is, there aren't enough leftover BE schools to go around, and has been pointed out here many times, 14 teams doesn't work as well as 16 or 18. The only logical place for those three to go is to the Big 12. The Pac has no options outside of the Big 12, so with some other sharks in the water, they will want to move in and make their pitch as well.

Sure, if there is a huge penalty to leave the league that could be an issue, but if enough teams get an offer they want to take, the league dissolves and it doesn't matter.

To me, the most stable option is for us to take BYU and try to lock things down again at 10. Then you hope that the SEC just moves to 14 and everything stops. I would assume the SEC either takes a Big East team or they take an ACC team and the ACC then takes a BE team. That leaves the Big and Pac at 12, and gets the Big 12 back to 10, and those conferences have all seemed to be okay with those numbers. The SEC is now at 14, the ACC stays at 12, and with the addition of TCU the BE is still at 8 where they have been for a while now. If UT and OU are truly happy with the new look Big 12, that would seem to slam the breaks on superconferences for the foreseeable future.

 

[CycloneJames]

Does anyone have an actual article backing this rumor up? Right now it seems everyone is under the impression we have 12 teams and all is well??? While I think the Big 12 is safe for a number of reasons, this rumor of the 3 big East teams joining the Big 12 certainly isn't a done deal.

I don't think so. We just like the rumor so we are running with it! :spinny:

 

[brett108]

Doesn't it seem like this could be a little counter productive? If we add those three schools it would seem like the Big East would collapse as a football conference. In that case, as the remaining schools start looking for a landing place, you set off the superconference feeding frenzy. At that point it would seem inevitable that the B1G, SEC, and PAC would be starting to toss invitations to Big 12 schools and we would be right back where we are now..... Just thinking out loud a little bit here, but it seems to me that the long term stability of the Big 12 requires that this superconference thing doesn't come to fruition, and it seems like this move could still set those processes in motion.

I think we need the super buyout(100 mill) and that will stop this. No Super confereces for anyone. The Big East would still have WVU, UConn, Rutgers, and S. Florida. The Big 12 would also be awesome in BB with those additions. This would be great all around.

 

[State43]

Found this on the cougar board.
Conference Realignment – Choose Your Own Adventure Style! «

 

[Wesley]

If this is true will the big east try and throw tampering charges at the conf? I really hope this is true, but there are too many things going on to get excited about anything until they come out and say something publicly.

We do not need a voice of reason.:swoon: We need a fix so we can play football.

 

[weeb2k1]

Do you think they really need to be in the same division? They could be a "protected rival" like in the B1G. Hell, why not just have 3-4 proetected rivals and play everyone else on a rotating schedule. ISU would play KU, KSU, and MU every year. Then just have the top 2 teams play for a championship. Sure, it could be a re-match, but thats a possiblity anyway. Just spit-balling ideas here...

The problem with this scenario is that in the eyes of Texas and OU, every single year they would probably have to beat the other side 2 times to win the conference, where as if they are in the same division, they only play once and then, in theory, the winner of that game would win the conference.