*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[im4cyclones]

good bye more sports programs, at least some mens programs. Track n field... we didnt need it anyway.

Sadly, this is right. When all of this started, pollard had the athletic department run the numbers on each conference destination. If we ended up in MWC, revenue would go to football, mens bball, and then women's bball in that order. Other sports would be asked to operate on significant budget reductions. This means we would probably lose our vball coach and woman's soccer coach as they have had moderate success at ISU and would be restricted financially.

In my opinion, we would lose pollard shortly after. He is too talented to oversee a MWC athletic department. Some "have" would come along and steal him.

 

[hurdleisu24]

I think they need to redo their book The 50 Year Seduction or atleast add chapters and make it the 60 year

 

[Istate]

I hope this is a joke...

Why? Plenty of quality teams are going to be looking for a home. All of those quality teams will end up together in a conference that will make significant money. Maybe not 20 million but more along the 12-15 range. That combined with winning will make it very palatable, especially since that is what I think the floor is. The floor is not begging for MAC or CUSA membership.

 

[hurdleisu24]

I'm worried as well, as are a lot of schools. The Big East boards are blowing up their conference and there are too many tumbling pieces to guess at and keep track of currently. Who knows if the B1G is going to move now or wait, and if that helps or hurts us.

If the forgotten 5 do have to merge with the remaining BE schools, would the big 12 have been dissolved then and lost any payouts/bcd/bowl tie-ins immediately?

I would hope they would look at the TV package as well as other situations to decide if its going to be the B12 or the BE

 

[simply1]

I would hope they would look at the TV package as well as other situations to decide if its going to be the B12 or the BE

If the BXII can retain everything, then it's got a clear advantage with a bcs Fiesta tie in, AQ, etc, but if it's dissolved then i don't know if we have a choice on being able to keep it.

 

[hurdleisu24]

Why? Plenty of quality teams are going to be looking for a home. All of those quality teams will end up together in a conference that will make significant money. Maybe not 20 million but more along the 12-15 range. That combined with winning will make it very palatable, especially since that is what I think the floor is. The floor is not begging for MAC or CUSA membership.

Your defintion of Quality and that of the Networks are 2 different things.

2nd if they go to 4 16 team conferences there may not be even 12-15 million range it maybe 8-10 or lower

 

[Trice]

Your defintion of Quality and that of the Networks are 2 different things.

2nd if they go to 4 16 team conferences there may not be even 12-15 million range it maybe 8-10 or lower

Exactly. If there are four superconferences there may still be a BCS bid for whatever league we end up in, but the TV revenue would almost certainly be lower. From a TV payout standpoint our league would be the NIT to the supers' March Madness.

 

[Trainer]

Can anyone give me a legitimate reason for why the south schools are leaving? Is it that they are all mad about LHN? Because it seems that by leaving the conference they are going to take hits in multiple areas
1)Revenue sharing/splitting conference money more ways
2)Travel expenses
3)Possible exit fees
4)Lack of success in other conferences.

This all seems illogical and I am just shaking my head, as many of you are as well.

 

[Three4Cy]

Sadly, this is right. When all of this started, pollard had the athletic department run the numbers on each conference destination. If we ended up in MWC, the first to go would be men's golf. It would probably be regulated to being a club sport, like hockey. We would also need to reorganize another sport... Either track or cross-country. Since it is hard for a northern school to compete in one without the other, we probably would lose both.

At that point, we could look at women's sports.... Tennis being the most likely. Softball would follow, most likely. Other women's sports would be safe due to title ix concerns.

Wrestling would be safe initially because of our historical success and the fact it produces a minor amount of revenue. However, increased travel costs would put it on very unstable ground.

All revenue would go to football, mens bball, and then women's bball in that order. Other sports would be asked to operate on significant budget reductions. This means we would probably lose our vball coach and woman's soccer coach as they have had moderate success at ISU and would be restricted financially.

In my opinion, we would lose pollard shortly after. He is too talented to oversee a MWC athletic department. Some "have" would come along and steal him.

All Division I schools must field athletes in at least seven sports for men and seven for women or six for men and eight for women, with two team sports for each sex.

We currently have six men's sports and 10 women's sports. How are we going to cut anymore men's sports and remain D1?

 

[hawkfan]

Pac-12 working on deal for Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, according to report - ESPN

Nothing new, but it just amazes me how the "worldwide leader in sports" simply cites other sources rather than actually breaking a story for once.

 

[Cyclone90]

Second, this also doesn't take into account the hit to the prestige of the university. Who knows what this mean in terms of lost research dollars, lost enrollment, etc. Again, maybe not immediately but over time.

Even if you're not a fan of college athletics, this is something to strongly consider and could cripple the university. And I haven't heard a peep from any Iowa or U.S. representatives/senators in this whole saga. We hear about legislators in Texas and Kansas during all this Iowa....:SLEEP:

 

[isunorth]

All Division I schools must field athletes in at least seven sports for men and seven for women or six for men and eight for women, with two team sports for each sex.

We currently have six men's sports and 10 women's sports. How are we going to cut anymore men's sports and remain D1?

Thus my UNI-related comments earlier. People - this could get that bad. If you do not believe it, you are just in denial.

 

[edr247]

I think this thread finally broke. If it did, perhaps it was for the best...

 

[Royalclone]

Sadly, this is right. When all of this started, pollard had the athletic department run the numbers on each conference destination. If we ended up in MWC, the first to go would be men's golf. It would probably be regulated to being a club sport, like hockey. We would also need to reorganize another sport... Either track or cross-country. Since it is hard for a northern school to compete in one without the other, we probably would lose both.

At that point, we could look at women's sports.... Tennis being the most likely. Softball would follow, most likely. Other women's sports would be safe due to title ix concerns.

Wrestling would be safe initially because of our historical success and the fact it produces a minor amount of revenue. However, increased travel costs would put it on very unstable ground.

All revenue would go to football, mens bball, and then women's bball in that order. Other sports would be asked to operate on significant budget reductions. This means we would probably lose our vball coach and woman's soccer coach as they have had moderate success at ISU and would be restricted financially.

In my opinion, we would lose pollard shortly after. He is too talented to oversee a MWC athletic department. Some "have" would come along and steal him.

Aren't you required to maintain a certain number of sports to be a Div. I program?

 

[hurdleisu24]

I think Texas, TT and OSU are leaving because Oklahoma wants to leave. Why OU wants to leave IDK

 

[Three4Cy]

Aren't you required to maintain a certain number of sports to be a Div. I program?

All Division I schools must field athletes in at least seven sports for men and seven for women or six for men and eight for women, with two team sports for each sex.

 

[Die4Cy]

I think Texas, TT and OSU are leaving because Oklahoma wants to leave. Why OU wants to leave IDK

That's the most puzzling thing for me, too.

There doesn't appear to be anything "in it" for OU, particularly if Texa$ goes along.

 

[jsmith86]

I think this is a flawed line of thinking on two levels. First, I think the financial dropoff would be huge. Maybe not immediately if TV contracts remain in place, but over time as those contracts expire and/or are renewed at lower levels. The interest just won't be there for teams/conferences not a part of the "supers."

Second, this also doesn't take into account the hit to the prestige of the university. Who knows what this mean in terms of lost research dollars, lost enrollment, etc. Again, maybe not immediately but over time.

Since when did the NSF base who it is going to fund on the athletics conference of a university? Or the USDA, DOE, or anyone else funding ISU for that matter? People say we will lose research dollars, but I don't believe it. Sure, we may lose undergrads, but you know what the means we have to do? Bring in more grad students and turn the labs they work in into grant winning machines. Having the DOE facility on campus is a huge thing that isn't going to go away if ISU drops out of the Big XII. Having all the ag money donated isn't going to go away, we still have the vet school. I really don't see where this supposed loss of research money comes from,other than people that actually believe their undergrad tuition pays for research.

 

[Three4Cy]

I think Texas, TT and OSU are leaving because Oklahoma wants to leave. Why OU wants to leave IDK

For a school that wants an easier road to the National Championship game, going to the Pac-16 doesn't add up to me.

 

[GoldenBear]

I think this thread finally broke. If it did, perhaps it was for the best...

Agree. Never to read again