*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Al_4_State]

Al:

Aren't you a Mitchell County kid? If you can stomach McIntire - nothing against it, have had a lot of fun there - I think you will be fine in any Pac town. Take on some of Klosterman's sense of adventure.

Oh, I could have fun in the Pac. I could have fun anywhere, and I love to explore/travel.

I'm just arguing from the standpoint of it not being "better" than the Big 12 schools.

I had a damn good time getting hammered-*** drunk in a Manhattan, Kansas sheep pasture.

 

[cyman05]

I've enjoyed following the Kansas Jayhawk insider the last week. He's has some good info thrown out there, but he isn't afraid to throw any and all rumors out there too. But he will say that they are rumors and won't confirm real stories as such unless its done. He wrote this at 6 tonight...

Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com

So what now?
A couple of options still exist.

1. The Texas and Oklahoma 4 go west, Missouri goes SEC and the four remaining Big 12 schools combine with what's left of the Big East to form some kind of conference. KU, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and whoever else wants to get into a BCS conference - BYU, Air Force, SMU, who knows. Obviously this is not the preferred outcome.
2. With everyone expanding around them, a few of their Big East targets headed to the ACC and the ACC making it even tougher, financially, for schools to leave, the Big Ten may have to give a real hard look at KU and MU here. Both would accept an offer on the spot. With that in mind, maybe the B1G really turns up the heat on Notre Dame and makes the Irish an offer they can't refuse. With those three in tow, the fourth team is irrelevant. If this comes true — and it could — it would without question be one of the biggest and best things to ever happen to KU's athletic department.
3. Lastly, there still exists the chance that the Pac-12 or even ACC would explore the idea of expanding to 18 or 20 simply because the KU/MU package remains out there and of interest to many. Not a real good shot of this happening, but it can't be ignored, either.

I think he is spot on right here with the possibilities in the most likely order...The most likely option is the Big Tweast. Again, not the preferred option.

The second option is the Big 10. The "irrelevant" fourth team would almost surely be ISU, right? Would else is out there that would be a fit.

The third option is interesting. He is hearing this rumor from somewhere even though it is surely an extreme longshot. However, we've seen this concept of an 18-20 team conference floated out there before. A Pac20 conference is basically a Big12-Pac10 merger minus Baylor.

 

[Testing123]

A thought occurred to me when I was moving teams around in a spreadsheet today, one that makes me think four 16-team conferences may not be as imminent as some think: If OU/OSU/TT/UT go to the PAC-16, who's the SEC's 16th team? Assume WV and MU are 14 and 15 (although Missou would rather be in the B1G). Who does the SEC have left? UConn and Rutgers are awfully far north and are likely to the ACC (or maybe B1G). Most of the Big East remnants duplicate states they already have, and aren't great teams to start with: Louisville, South Florida, TCU. Cincinnati doesn't duplicate, but is that really a school the SEC wants to add? After that, all that's left is pilfering from the ACC (unlikely for a number of reasons) or taking one of the Big XII castoffs.

Anyway.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I've read this as well, but my very-non legal understanding is it would take 6 to vote to dissolve since it would be a majority vote which would take 6 given 10 members.

Can you tell me which section you read this?

 

[cyman05]

A thought occurred to me when I was moving teams around in a spreadsheet today, one that makes me think four 16-team conferences may not be as imminent as some think: If OU/OSU/TT/UT go to the PAC-16, who's the SEC's 16th team? Assume WV and MU are 14 and 15 (although Missou would rather be in the B1G). Who does the SEC have left? UConn and Rutgers are awfully far north and are likely to the ACC (or maybe B1G). Most of the Big East remnants duplicate states they already have, and aren't great teams to start with: Louisville, South Florida, TCU. Cincinnati doesn't duplicate, but is that really a school the SEC wants to add? After that, all that's left is pilfering from the ACC (unlikely for a number of reasons) or taking one of the Big XII castoffs.

Anyway.

Yeah, you're spot on. I would think though that at some point you'd find someone from the ACC leave for the SEC. All they increased their penalties to are $20 million. That is like pennies.

But if you assume nobody from the ACC moves to the SEC, then the SEC is up a creek to find a quality 16th team.

 

[QBUMizzou]

So, is Texas A&M in the SEC yet?

 

[Trice]

A thought occurred to me when I was moving teams around in a spreadsheet today, one that makes me think four 16-team conferences may not be as imminent as some think: If OU/OSU/TT/UT go to the PAC-16, who's the SEC's 16th team? Assume WV and MU are 14 and 15 (although Missou would rather be in the B1G). Who does the SEC have left? UConn and Rutgers are awfully far north and are likely to the ACC (or maybe B1G). Most of the Big East remnants duplicate states they already have, and aren't great teams to start with: Louisville, South Florida, TCU. Cincinnati doesn't duplicate, but is that really a school the SEC wants to add? After that, all that's left is pilfering from the ACC (unlikely for a number of reasons) or taking one of the Big XII castoffs.

Anyway.

From speculation I read earlier - emphasis on speculation, I don't recall the source now but the tone of what I read did not make it sound as if this were imminent - it could be Florida State or even more likely, Virginia Tech. VT because it taps a new state and the DC media market. Presumably the SEC would help with the ACC exit fees for either FSU or VT. No idea of the interest of either FSU or VT, they may view their path to a BCS game as far easier in the ACC and be content there, especially now that its stability is improved.

 

[Judoka]

So, is Texas A&M in the SEC yet?

Still at the bus stop.

 

[Incyte]

Can you tell me which section you read this?

It's not in the by-laws so applicable state law governs. Nearly all states allow a legal entity like the B12 to be dissolved by an affirmative vote of members (i.e., 6 members in the case of the B12).

 

[cyman05]

I've enjoyed following the Kansas Jayhawk insider the last week. He's has some good info thrown out there, but he isn't afraid to throw any and all rumors out there too. But he will say that they are rumors and won't confirm real stories as such unless its done. He wrote this at 6 tonight...

Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com

So what now?
A couple of options still exist.

1. The Texas and Oklahoma 4 go west, Missouri goes SEC and the four remaining Big 12 schools combine with what's left of the Big East to form some kind of conference. KU, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and whoever else wants to get into a BCS conference - BYU, Air Force, SMU, who knows. Obviously this is not the preferred outcome.
2. With everyone expanding around them, a few of their Big East targets headed to the ACC and the ACC making it even tougher, financially, for schools to leave, the Big Ten may have to give a real hard look at KU and MU here. Both would accept an offer on the spot. With that in mind, maybe the B1G really turns up the heat on Notre Dame and makes the Irish an offer they can't refuse. With those three in tow, the fourth team is irrelevant. If this comes true — and it could — it would without question be one of the biggest and best things to ever happen to KU's athletic department.
3. Lastly, there still exists the chance that the Pac-12 or even ACC would explore the idea of expanding to 18 or 20 simply because the KU/MU package remains out there and of interest to many. Not a real good shot of this happening, but it can't be ignored, either.

I think he is spot on right here with the possibilities in the most likely order...The most likely option is the Big Tweast. Again, not the preferred option.

The second option is the Big 10. The "irrelevant" fourth team would almost surely be ISU, right? Would else is out there that would be a fit.

The third option is interesting. He is hearing this rumor from somewhere even though it is surely an extreme longshot. However, we've seen this concept of an 18-20 team conference floated out there before. A Pac20 conference is basically a Big12-Pac10 merger minus Baylor.

The other thing I was going to say about this is that a 20 team conference might actually be easier to handle logistically than a 16 team conference. You just have 2 completely separate conferences of ten that operate under the same name and overhead. Since you're hardly ever going to see the teams from the other half of the conference, just completely break away from them...But I guess that would lead us back to the days of 8, 10, or 12 team conferences and the evolution of college sports has brought us this grand new idea of 16 team conferences that are so much more sophisticated.

 

[HoopsTournament]

It's not in the by-laws so applicable state law governs. Nearly all states allow a legal entity like the B12 to be dissolved by an affirmative vote of members (i.e., 6 members in the case of the B12).

Ok that makes sense. It does say that it needs a 75% vote for modification of by-laws.

 

[Tre4ISU]

It's not in the by-laws so applicable state law governs. Nearly all states allow a legal entity like the B12 to be dissolved by an affirmative vote of members (i.e., 6 members in the case of the B12).

But doesn't a conference cease to exist with less than 8 members? I thought I read that somewhere.

 

[CycloneBax]

It's not in the by-laws so applicable state law governs. Nearly all states allow a legal entity like the B12 to be dissolved by an affirmative vote of members (i.e., 6 members in the case of the B12).

I would think the remaining 4 could negotiate to not have the teams leaving vote to dissolve the conference. This may mean reduced exit fees and no litigation, but would allow the conference to keep their contract with Fox and rebuild.

 

[synapticwave]

Can you tell me which section you read this?

1.4.8

Voting. Except as otherwise provided in these Bylaws, each Member shall be entitled
to one (1) vote in all matters to be voted on by the Members; provided, however, that
in all elections of Directors, each Member agrees to vote in favor of the nominees
to the Board of Directors of the Conference selected by each other Member, which
nominee shall be the Chief Executive Officer of each Member Institution (President 5
or Chancellor). At all meetings of Members, except where the vote of more than a
majority of the Members entitled to vote is required by The General Corporation Law
of Delaware, the Restated Certificate of Incorporation or by these Bylaws or the Rules,
the vote of a majority of the Members entitled to vote shall be required for the approval
of any matter before the Members. Except as otherwise requested by a Member, the
vote of individual Members of the Conference on any matter shall not be recorded in
the minutes of the Members for such meeting.

Since the bylaws don't explicitly call out a super-majority requirement for dissolution (and neither does Delaware law to my knowledge) then it falls under this.

 

[QBUMizzou]

According to aggieyell.com Texas A&M has been accepted into the SEC.

This was the opening post on this thread. It was posted on August 11th.

Here we are, six weeks later, and A&M is not in the SEC.

In the meantime, all Hell has broken loose everywhere else.

 

[Die4Cy]

This was the opening post on this thread. It was posted on August 11th.

Here we are, six weeks later, and A&M is not in the SEC.

In the meantime, all Hell has broken loose everywhere else.

Holy Crap! aTm wants into the SEC?

 

[Incyte]

But doesn't a conference cease to exist with less than 8 members? I thought I read that somewhere.

That's an NCAA issue and not related to whether the legal entity continues or not.

Regardless, I believe the NCAA does require 8 teams to be recognized as a conference (to advertise as a conference, to recognize conference champions, etc). That means the B12 would have to find some more teams to get back to 8 or more. I believe there may be waivers available if you need a year or two to get back up to 8.

 

[synapticwave]

I would think the remaining 4 could negotiate to not have the teams leaving vote to dissolve the conference. This may mean reduced exit fees and no litigation, but would allow the conference to keep their contract with Fox and rebuild.

Actually, you'd only have to make that deal with one school, just make an agreement with Tech that they abstain from all dissolution votes and in return we won't sue them aftewards (Assuming there are 4 others left) THen still collect the exit fees from everyone else.

 

[CycloneBax]

Actually, you'd only have to make that deal with one school, just make an agreement with Tech that they abstain from all dissolution votes and in return we won't sue them aftewards (Assuming there are 4 others left) THen still collect the exit fees from everyone else.

I think the preferred school would be AtM as they would be able to stick it to Texas 1 more time.

 

[Rickybaby]

The other thing I was going to say about this is that a 20 team conference might actually be easier to handle logistically than a 16 team conference. You just have 2 completely separate conferences of ten that operate under the same name and overhead. Since you're hardly ever going to see the teams from the other half of the conference, just completely break away from them...

I don't think there is much to this . OU and UT are looking to play UCLA, USC, Stanford pretty regularly (UCLA one year, USC the next?). OU in particular wants to recruit Cali. So if the divisons are separate and don't play except for some championship of some sort, I don't know if either OU or UT would go for that. The other way to think about it is .... is there more money in 2 conferences or 1?