*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[StLouisClone]

There's a difference between "wanting into the Big 10" and "wanting out of the Big 12".

If you want out of the Big 12, you'll go anywhere. If you just want into the Big 10, you'll probably stay in the Big 12 unless offered by the Big 10. I think that's where Missouri is. They want into the Big 10, but they don't want out of the Big 12 at all cost.

Mizzou may want into the Big 10, but that becomes nearly impossible if they sign onto the Big 12's new handcuffs (6-year TV rights).

I hope Deaton is being sincere when he says Mizzou wants to stay in the Big 12. I'm pretty sure the Big 12's contract with Fox will be voided if Mizzou leaves. You can't replace Mizzou with any of the other programs that are being mentioned. KC and St. Louis are Top 30 TV markets.

The threat of lawsuits is probably the best thing the Big 12 has going for it right now. I would think they could reach some agreement with the SEC to drop any and all lawsuits against them or Texas A&M as long as the SEC agrees to stop poaching schools from the Big 12.

 

[jbhtexas]

MU to the Big Ten makes perfect sense, MU to the SEC does not.

TAMU to the SEC doesn't seem to make much sense either, yet it is happening. This conference realignment stuff appears to be leaning more towards Dr. McCoy (emotion) and less towards Mr. Spock (logic).

 

[Wesley]

It is time to wrap this dog and pony show up by end of next week. We are almost beyond Boren's prognastications of three weeks.

The only way MO goes is if a well endowed donor forks over some money like aTm guy did.

 

[alarson]

TAMU to the SEC doesn't seem to make much sense either, yet it is happening. This conference realignment stuff appears to be leaning more towards Dr. McCoy (emotion) and less towards Mr. Spock (logic).

TAMU to the SEC makes plenty of sense if you finally admit that Texas is a cancer to every conference they've been in. I dont see how its so hard for people to see that by the time you get to the 5th or 6th school wanting to get away from them, it just might be their fault instead of all of the departing teams' fault. And the PAC didnt take them for precisely this reason.

 

[jbhtexas]

TAMU to the SEC makes plenty of sense if you finally admit that Texas is a cancer to every conference they've been in. I dont see how its so hard for people to see that by the time you get to the 5th or 6th school wanting to get away from them, it just might be their fault instead of all of the departing teams' fault. And the PAC didnt take them for precisely this reason.

Speaking of illogical, emotional respsones...

You don't get to call UT a cancer if you supported the same conference policies they did...and then tucked your tail and ran when you saw that it wasn't working out as well as you had hoped...

That fact the TAMU wouldn't even talk to Neinas should be further evidence of what is motivating them.

 

[Al_4_State]

UT and A&M are both cancers. They supported the exact same policies. UT is the lesser evil because they haven't run away like a little baby.

 

[bosco]

UT and A&M are both cancers. They supported the exact same policies. UT is the lesser evil because they haven't run away like a little baby.

UT is black to the heart. A&M did a self assessment and realized that they aren't pure unadulterated evil just very weird.

 

[alarson]

UT and A&M are both cancers. They supported the exact same policies. UT is the lesser evil because they haven't run away like a little baby.

UT started all this crap last year by threatening to take half the conference to the PAC, and blackmailing the rest of the conference into accepting it having its own network despite the fact that the clear trend was going towards conference networks with how successful it was for the big 10. Colorado would probably still be here if texas's moves hadnt forced CU to jump in fear of being left behind (switched out for baylor by texas politics) and Nebraska and TAMU would be here if Texas had committed to a conference network.

 

[jbhtexas]

UT started all this crap last year by threatening to take half the conference to the PAC, and blackmailing the rest of the conference into accepting it having its own network despite the fact that the clear trend was going towards conference networks with how successful it was for the big 10. Colorado would probably still be here if texas's moves hadnt forced CU to jump in fear of being left behind (switched out for baylor by texas politics) and Nebraska and TAMU would be here if Texas had committed to a conference network.

So...TAMU wanted a third-tier rights conference network like the BTN in order to stay in the Big 12...and since they didn't get that, they are going go to the SEC, which basically has the same third-tier arrangement as the Big 12. Interesting...

 

[CrossCyed]

Yeah, I don't really have any problem with Boise in our conference anymore. They'd have to adjust to Big 12 rules, but if the rest of the conference wants them, I really don't care as long as we're stable.

 

[RayShimley]

TAMU to the SEC doesn't seem to make much sense either, yet it is happening. This conference realignment stuff appears to be leaning more towards Dr. McCoy (emotion) and less towards Mr. Spock (logic).

I can't argue with that. My only hope is that the people in charge at Mizzou aren't as driven by emotion as the ones at TAMU.

 

[Al_4_State]

UT started all this crap last year by threatening to take half the conference to the PAC, and blackmailing the rest of the conference into accepting it having its own network despite the fact that the clear trend was going towards conference networks with how successful it was for the big 10. Colorado would probably still be here if texas's moves hadnt forced CU to jump in fear of being left behind (switched out for baylor by texas politics) and Nebraska and TAMU would be here if Texas had committed to a conference network.

Why didn't A&M approach the other schools and try to put together a network?

Agree that Texas is a problem, but you're kidding yourself if you think Aggie, Nebraska, and OU are any better.

If the other 11 schools had put together a network it would have been viable. If they had all stood up to Texas, Texas wouldn't have the power they do. If just ONE of them had voted for equal revenue, we'd have it.

Every piece of evidence suggests Aggie is just as much of a problem as Texas. You know I respect you as a poster, but your Aggie connections are blinding you here. I have no connection to either Texas or Aggie, and have gotten along with both of them in real life. It's just painfully obvious that Aggie, Nebraska and OU have as much to do with this situation as Texas. They've all tried to bail/have bailed rather than work with the rest of the league to reign Texas in.

 

[alarson]

If the other 11 schools had put together a network it would have been viable.

How do we know this? ESPN already has its texas (ie most of the population in the b12) network. They wont be bidding on a b12-texas network. So who's left to bid? Fox, bidding alone? Sounds like a great recipe for getting lots of money out of that deal.

Are OU\NU\TAMU completely innocent in all this? Absolutely not. But Texas is the worst of the 4.

 

[RayShimley]

Why didn't A&M approach the other schools and try to put together a network?

Agree that Texas is a problem, but you're kidding yourself if you think Aggie, Nebraska, and OU are any better.

If the other 11 schools had put together a network it would have been viable. If they had all stood up to Texas, Texas wouldn't have the power they do. If just ONE of them had voted for equal revenue, we'd have it.

Every piece of evidence suggests Aggie is just as much of a problem as Texas. You know I respect you as a poster, but your Aggie connections are blinding you here. I have no connection to either Texas or Aggie, and have gotten along with both of them in real life. It's just painfully obvious that Aggie, Nebraska and OU have as much to do with this situation as Texas. They've all tried to bail/have bailed rather than work with the rest of the league to reign Texas in.

This. CU is the only team that has left/threatened to leave that I have no animosity towards.

 

[Tre4ISU]

UT started all this crap last year by threatening to take half the conference to the PAC, and blackmailing the rest of the conference into accepting it having its own network despite the fact that the clear trend was going towards conference networks with how successful it was for the big 10. Colorado would probably still be here if texas's moves hadnt forced CU to jump in fear of being left behind (switched out for baylor by texas politics) and Nebraska and TAMU would be here if Texas had committed to a conference network.

Oh the blind Texas hatred. Nebraska and Colorado, two teams that supported the same policies as Texas started this crap. Guess what? Had two of the other teams voted to share revenue equally when the conference started, we wouldn't be here. THey didn't. They thought they were the **** because one had just won a National title and the other had won many in the past. Then, after 15 years, they aren't the **** anymore, but Texas is. They can't stand it. One leaves. The other one leaves possibly because they simply got the chance and weren't willing to risk being left out. Then another one, who, did I mention, had been offered to partner in Texas Evil Network decides it's inferiority complex is too much to overcome and they would rather get curb stomped every year in the SEC. Texas didn't force anything. They voted the way they wanted and they have taken advantage of that. The others miscalculated their actual worth, then ran away after THIER rules didn't favor them over someone else.

 

[RayShimley]

How do we know this? ESPN already has its texas (ie most of the population in the b12) network. They wont be bidding on a b12-texas network. So who's left to bid? Fox, bidding alone? Sounds like a great recipe for getting lots of money out of that deal...

You sure about that? ESPN agreed to an 8-year deal with BYU to broadcast their embarrassing home schedule.

 

[Al_4_State]

You sure about that? ESPN agreed to an 8-year deal with BYU to broadcast their embarrassing home schedule.

Exactly.

Also, why would we need ESPN as a partner? Plenty of other players in the televised sports networks.

Why not approach Fox about turning FCS into this?

alarson, you're just defending Aggie at this point. They are just as bad as Texas, as is OU and Nebraska.

 

[cygrads]

So Mizoo is going to throw away their historic rival (KU) to go to a conf where they have no rival - conf realignment sucks. If this happens I hope Mizoo and TAM lose every game from here out - I don't care who is at fault but throwing away history and geographical signifigance (I know MO boarders Ark & Ky) is crazy in the grand scheme of things.

 

[cykadelic2]

UT started all this crap last year by threatening to take half the conference to the PAC, and blackmailing the rest of the conference into accepting it having its own network despite the fact that the clear trend was going towards conference networks with how successful it was for the big 10. Colorado would probably still be here if texas's moves hadnt forced CU to jump in fear of being left behind (switched out for baylor by texas politics) and Nebraska and TAMU would be here if Texas had committed to a conference network.

You're off your rocker here. UT and NU had been planning their own networks well before UT's talks with the Pac10 last year and the rest of the conference was well aware of that. Also, there was no clear trend toward conference networks, the SEC and ACC didn't have them nor had any plans of doing one.

 

[Senolcyc]

No law saying Missouri and Kansas couldn't play a non-conference game. I bet they would.