Whether Mizzou leaves or not, we have to add a team so it really doesn't matter I guess. I don't think there is anything anyone can do about Mizzou. Their curators will call the shot at this point.
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Whether Mizzou leaves or not, we have to add a team so it really doesn't matter I guess. I don't think there is anything anyone can do about Mizzou. Their curators will call the shot at this point.
I live in Iowa but work across the border in Missouri. Needless to say just about everyone I work with are big Mizzou fans. They are all in shock over the SEC thing. Not one single person I've talked with can understand why Mizzou would leave the Big 12 for the SEC. Not one single person wants anything to do with the SEC. I would bet pretty good money that outside of internet tough guys and these ******* administraters most Mizzou fans want to stay in the Big 12...this is why I have to believe this whole thing is leverage against Texas.
The MU fans I know here in the K.C. area want NOTHING to do with the SEC. They think it's pure insanity.
If we do only add one team, and I think that's a mistake, BYU would be the one team available with the most value.
So not only would I be glad they joined, I'd be glad we added them first if that's all it comes to.
If we take BYU, Louisville and WVU, IMO we have a larger market than we did before. I like those additions. Then you add Cinci if Mizzou leaves and you grow even more.
The two Mizzou friends I have talked to who live in STL want to go to the SEC. But one of them grew up in Florida so he has always had a connection to the southeast.
Let's hope several of the Curators are from the KC area.
Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard, the chairman of the Big 12 athletic directors, who met in Dallas on Tuesday, said the conference is hopeful that Missouri stays and hasn't been told differently.
"You have to talk to Missouri on that," Pollard told the American-Statesman on Wednesday, when asked about the Tigers' intentions. "They were active participants in the meeting, and I feel strongly they will stay in the league.
"We would love to have Missouri moving forward. I wouldn't say they are holding up (future plans), but they haven't indicated they are not going to be part of the Big 12."
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When asked if Iowa State would play A&M in the future, Pollard said it would not.
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Big 12 expects Missouri to stay despite SEC overtures
"You have to talk to Missouri on that," Pollard told the American-Statesman on Wednesday, when asked about the Tigers' intentions. "They were active participants in the meeting, and I feel strongly they will stay in the league.
"We would love to have Missouri moving forward. I wouldn't say they are holding up (future plans), but they haven't indicated they are not going to be part of the Big 12."
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When asked if Iowa State would play A&M in the future, Pollard said it would not.
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Big 12 expects Missouri to stay despite SEC overtures
CLASSIC. That's the question and answer we were all waiting to hear.:twitcy:
I would love to see Dodds answer that same question the same way though.
I hope ISU beats A&M and Nebraska in bowls and NCAA tourney games at some point. It would be cool if none of our teams ever scheduled them in non-conf though.
You guys ready for a two tiered expansion process?
Big 12 needs to expand just to survive | College Sports | Sports News and Videos on the Dalla...
Multiple league sources indicated Wednesday that a two-step expansion process is possible, even likely, with the league regaining its 10-team format for the 2012 football season and going beyond that number -- perhaps as high as 16, said Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard -- in 2013 or later.
Big 12 needs to expand just to survive | College Sports | Sports News and Videos on the Dalla...
Multiple league sources indicated Wednesday that a two-step expansion process is possible, even likely, with the league regaining its 10-team format for the 2012 football season and going beyond that number -- perhaps as high as 16, said Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard -- in 2013 or later.
I'm still waiting to hear what Notre Dame is going to do when the Big East is no more for football. Are they okay keeping their other sports in a DePaul, Marquette, Seton Hall, Georgetown, St. Johns, Villanova, Providence conference?
Or does the Big East collapse force them to join a conference for football? Which conference?
Or does the Big East collapse force them to join a conference for football? Which conference?
So what JP is saying is they'll take a non-big east school now, and add some big east schools later, since they're stuck for at least 2 years...
You could be right...it's possible that the SEC is a bad move for Mizzou. Clearly the B1G would be a more natural fit, but I don't see them expanding again unless ND jumps, and that might be never. They got Nebraska (AAU? We don't need no stinkin' AAU!) Huskers and that's it.
I guess I'd look at past situations where schools have moved conferences (Penn St. to Big 10, Arkansas and SCar to SEC, Miami and VA Tech to ACC, etc.) for examples. Every case is a little different, but none of them suffered dramatically for a long period of time. I think all of them would make the move again, if offered the choice. We'll see if the recent transfers (NU, CU, TAMU, Pitt, etc.) do the same. (Colorado may prove to be the exception - they went from irrelevant in one conference to SUPER-irrelevant in another!)
I don't think it's all ESPN's fault that our conference matchups aren't very compelling. When Arrowhead is half-full for Farmagedden, that's a sign of apathy. Everybody knows that Cyclones will pack the Jack for a compelling matchup (Iowa, Nebraska, Texas this weekend, etc.) For those of you who remember the Florida St. matchup in KC several years ago, how did that atomsphere compare to the KSU game? (I wasn't there, but I heard it was rockin'.) Mizzou and Kansas will probably continue to play...both teams have a lot to gain from the matchup (just like Iowa-ISU...even if the Hawks won't admit it!) But as for the other games, I don't think it's a good reason to stay in an unstable situation.
As for stability, I can't believe that all it took was for the governor of Missouri (not a university employee) to say that the Big 10 would be a nice fit for MU, and our previously-stable conference starts to fall apart. The instability didn't start with Mizzou but from the beginning of the Big 12, with the unusual way revenues were distributed. That's on Texas. If Ohio St./Michigan (in the B1G) or USC/UCLA (in the Pac-12) used their influence as conference heavyweights in the same manner, they'd be unstable too. That behavior destroyed the old SWC, drove off 1/4 of the Big 12, and is keeping other schools (like BYU) from joining us. Nobody's jumping ship because of anything MU says.
We may be outliers in the SEC, that's true. I'd argue that we're already outliers in THIS conference...along with 6 other schools.
You're talking as if Mizzou has already left. Do you know something we don't?
Ummm...did you realize that the Missouri-KU matchup in Arrowhead last year drew 55,788.
Given how much closer KU and Mizzou are to Kansas City than ISU and K-State, I'm not sure you should be bragging about the extra 10,000ish fans you filled Arrowhead with.
Outliers as far as AD revenue goes, maybe. The gap to Texas isn't as big when you consider they have almost 3x the student body size as ISU (don't know about Mizzou), if I remember correctly. That means a lot more alumni and in a bigger market/population a lot more tavern fans. As for KSU/ISU in Arrowhead, don't sweat it. Snyder put that to an end to keep his home games.
I know...kind of pathetic, isn't it? I didn't even think to mention it. Mizzou's had solid home attendence (avg. 60K+) for the past several years and sold out their allottment, but KU's contingent barely showed up at Arrowhead last year. To be fair, they think football season ends on the day of Midnight Madness.
Sort of proves the point...even the rivalries don't get folks juiced up if both teams aren't good. Can you imagine Cyclone fans not driving to Des Moines (for comparison) to play the Hawks? Even if it was 3-win season, they'd show up for THAT game.
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