Interesting note from the presser today

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How can you rob someone and not take anything? MY opinion is it should be attempted robbery since nothign was taken.

IMO not a big deal, it was college kids being dumb no one was hurt and nothign was taken, so lets move on.

Interesting...

In general...armed robbery versus attempted armed robbery...in a case like this incident with ISU FB players, why should these be treated differently? What ultimately matters to society is the intent to do harm (and taking other people's stuff is doing harm), which is the same in both cases. Whether or not the victim being robbed actually had something to steal on his personage should be of minimal importance. The main issue is that a person wanted to steal something from somebody else, and was willing to threaten violence in order to do so.
Once the threat of violence is displayed and the demands made, there is no question of intent.

Given our legal system, charges are often pled down to something lesser for convenience, and everything is "fine" legally. But that doesn't change the real severity of the crime.

If it did really happen that 2 FB players tried to stick up people with a gun, and the majority of the ISU athletic community sees that as no big deal, then ISU athletics is on very dangerous path.
 

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Interesting...

In general...armed robbery versus attempted armed robbery...in a case like this incident with ISU FB players, why should these be treated differently? What ultimately matters to society is the intent to do harm (and taking other people's stuff is doing harm), which is the same in both cases. Whether or not the victim being robbed actually had something to steal on his personage should be of minimal importance. The main issue is that a person wanted to steal something from somebody else, and was willing to threaten violence in order to do so.
Once the threat of violence is displayed and the demands made, there is no question of intent.

Given our legal system, charges are often pled down to something lesser for convenience, and everything is "fine" legally. But that doesn't change the real severity of the crime.

If it did really happen that 2 FB players tried to stick up people with a gun, and the majority of the ISU athletic community sees that as no big deal, then ISU athletics is on very dangerous path.

So do you believe attempted murder is just as bad as actual murder?
 

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with the precedent set with Berryman, each player should be given a chance after their first felony.

Not saying I like it, but it is only fair.
 

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You can be charged with robbery even if nothing is taken. There is no such thing as attempted robbery - it's robbery either way.


Correct. Any clear attempt to "steal" automatically qualifies it as stealing. And using intimidation/force then bumps it up to "robbery".
 

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So do you believe attempted murder is just as bad as actual murder?

Intent is the same.

In one scenario, the perp is better at it. You shouldn't get points because you're not proficient or in this case, wise in choosing broke victims.
 

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Interesting...

In general...armed robbery versus attempted armed robbery...in a case like this incident with ISU FB players, why should these be treated differently? What ultimately matters to society is the intent to do harm (and taking other people's stuff is doing harm), which is the same in both cases. Whether or not the victim being robbed actually had something to steal on his personage should be of minimal importance. The main issue is that a person wanted to steal something from somebody else, and was willing to threaten violence in order to do so.
Once the threat of violence is displayed and the demands made, there is no question of intent.

Given our legal system, charges are often pled down to something lesser for convenience, and everything is "fine" legally. But that doesn't change the real severity of the crime.

If it did really happen that 2 FB players tried to stick up people with a gun, and the majority of the ISU athletic community sees that as no big deal, then ISU athletics is on very dangerous path.

This sums it up quite nicely.
 

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Intent is the same.

In one scenario, the perp is better at it. You shouldn't get points because you're not proficient or in this case, wise in choosing broke victims.
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Who justified the action?

I've seen people say that at this time CPR's suspension is what you expect from any program. If (once) he is actually convicted then his suspension will change accordingly.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. As I posted earlier, this could get pled down for convenience and he could get "convicted" of something lesser than what he actually did.

It can be an interesting conundrum for the coach. Just a hypothetical...what if the coach has sound evidence of a serious (i.e. felony) crime, but the case is pled down to a misdemeanor. Does the coach use the evidence he has or the legal solution as the basis for dealing with the situation?
 

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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. As I posted earlier, this could get pled down for convenience and he could get "convicted" of something lesser than what he actually did.

It can be an interesting conundrum for the coach. Just a hypothetical...what if the coach has sound evidence of a serious (i.e. felony) crime, but the case is pled down to a misdemeanor. Does the coach use the evidence he has or the legal solution as the basis for dealing with the situation?

I think most coaches would base punishment on the offense he actually pleads to. Just guessing.
 

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Is it safe to assume he'll be sitting out additional games? I'm no lawyer or judical expert, but isn't a 25K bond amount fairly high?

Stupid (not bond amount, actions of player)...

I think Sandusky's bond was 100k.
 

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Yea it is high... Not looking good for gray.
 

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If that KCCI story is true, he should absolutely be kicked off the team. Armed robbery? Are u serious ...
 

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If that KCCI story is true, he should absolutely be kicked off the team. Armed robbery? Are u serious ...

Honestly, I think he will be done. I want to hear the whole story. I know this is stemming from the run-in this summer, but does anyone know the actual details about what happened
 
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