Let's stop playing UNI on the road, NOW
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The top two teams in the state are going to play. That example is like ISU and Iowa playing home and home.
You are sorely mistaken if you think Iowa hasn't given a lot of thought about doing this exact same thing to us in football. And the big/little brother comparison is dead on. We are in Iowas shadow-we can't compete with them money wise. That's ok because it is fun to beat them with lesser regarded talent and better coaching. I think it is pathetic that some would treat these smaller schools the way Iowa would prefer to treat us.
By the looks of when you graduated I will make the assumption that you don't remember when the football series resumed. They played at Kinnick for four straight years because our football field wasn't big or good enough for the Hawkeyes, sounds like familiar theme today.
And on your point of other states letting their schools sell out for $ Nate. Didn't your mother ever Ask you "If your friends all jumped off a bridge, would you too?"
I do not remember when it resumed. Money makes you successful, why don't we want success? If all of my friends become millionaires, I would want to be a millionaire too.
Someone (maybe you) posted a list like this before. Without searching them again, almost all of them were either:
A) 2 or 3 for 1s
B) Not ongoing regular series (just one-off games)
and
C) Almost nobody had TWO of these types of games on their schedule every year
Iowa can do whatever they want with the series. It means a lot to the state but we would survive without it. Iowa dropping ISU is not the same as changing how we play UNI and Drake. BCS vs. BCS. If they do drop us in football we would get an easier win on the schedule. Winning and money are everything and they go hand in hand.
If you think money is what makes you successful in life then good luck to you. I can think of many people that are successful and have little worldly possessions to show for it. Ahh the ignorance of youth.
I was being sarcastic to your jump off a bridge quote. I would jump off a bridge if there was deep water underneath sounds like a blast. For athletics, it is true though, no way you can argue that money is not the most important factor in what makes you successful.
Oy Nate, you are really thick. You keep making D1 assertions and then when someone bursts your bubble you make some other poppycock up. This is pointless, maybe a decade or so might help you out. Ta ta until then.
I greeted Dedric Willoughby and team at the airport following the ISU Sweet 16 loss when I was 9 years old. My brother has a picture as a baby with Hornacek holding him. I've been around ISU sports long enough. Maybe when you realize that teams win because they have money and continue to win because of that money you can come back.
This thread is more knowledgeable:
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/135710-isu-vs-iowa-mbb-ending.html
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/135710-isu-vs-iowa-mbb-ending.html
Wow...this post degenerated pretty quickly.
Everybody seems to be talking past one another. Can we agree on a few things, so we don't keep getting sidetracked?
1. Drake and UNI have proven that they belong on the court with Iowa and ISU. They're good teams.
2. I don't hear anybody saying that Iowa/ISU should NEVER play UNI and Drake. The argument here is over the venue and/or the frequency.
3. Nobody has been able to find a similar situation where a major conference team plays a yearly, continuous, OOC home-and-home series with THREE other in-state
programs (two of whom are mid-majors).
4. There's really no way to change the home-and-home series after losing to Drake/UNI without it looking like sour grapes.
Personally, I believe that if you're building a program, you look at what other successful programs are doing, and emulate it. That goes for scheduling, too.
To those that say keep the series as is, I'd ask: "If you KNEW that replacing an away game with Drake/UNI meant that Iowa State would play against Big 10 or Big East competition every year in its place, would you end the Drake/UNI series?
To those that say drop it, I'd ask: "How do you end the series without the backlash from MVC fans, sports talk personalities, columnists, etc.? And do you even care?"
This is an interesting topic. Hopefully it doesn't get hijacked by testicle talk, jumping off of bridges, or length of time as a fan. :smile:
Everybody seems to be talking past one another. Can we agree on a few things, so we don't keep getting sidetracked?
1. Drake and UNI have proven that they belong on the court with Iowa and ISU. They're good teams.
2. I don't hear anybody saying that Iowa/ISU should NEVER play UNI and Drake. The argument here is over the venue and/or the frequency.
3. Nobody has been able to find a similar situation where a major conference team plays a yearly, continuous, OOC home-and-home series with THREE other in-state
programs (two of whom are mid-majors).
4. There's really no way to change the home-and-home series after losing to Drake/UNI without it looking like sour grapes.
Personally, I believe that if you're building a program, you look at what other successful programs are doing, and emulate it. That goes for scheduling, too.
To those that say keep the series as is, I'd ask: "If you KNEW that replacing an away game with Drake/UNI meant that Iowa State would play against Big 10 or Big East competition every year in its place, would you end the Drake/UNI series?
To those that say drop it, I'd ask: "How do you end the series without the backlash from MVC fans, sports talk personalities, columnists, etc.? And do you even care?"
This is an interesting topic. Hopefully it doesn't get hijacked by testicle talk, jumping off of bridges, or length of time as a fan. :smile:
I want to keep the series but not have a home and home. In the long run this will benefit ISU in wins and money. Keep the series as a two for one or something along that line. I did get a little side tracked because of others but my main points were expressed in your 2 and especially 3 points. Nobody does it aside from schools that have one BCS team in the state. If Iowa drops to a mid-major, I say we continue the home and home because they would still be considered one of the top two teams in the state.
Reasonable points.
Here's a key:
"If you KNEW that replacing an away game with Drake/UNI meant that Iowa State would play against Big 10 or Big East competition every year in its place, would you end the Drake/UNI series?"
If there's a long-term/consistent plan to drop those teams, who is it? If it's Minnesota (pretty much the simplest, regional idea) and another BCS (or serious mid-major program), I could see it. Dropping pure home-and-home is OK, too, with similar criteria.
If we're just dropping it to pick up 1 or 2 SWAC/Southland-types -- why?
This is being wayyyyyyyy over analyzed. If a school only goes to the NCAA tournament once every 10 years or so what difference does it make who you play in the preconference. Win or lose it is not going to make that much difference. If ISU has a good team, it is not an issue. UNI and Drake are better than most OOC teams, play them.
So who made Gary Barta the spokeman for what happens to the in-state Big 4 basketball Rivalry. Does IOWA think they are so much better than the other three that they don't have to play them? Or maybe they feel that they can't compete with the Missouri Valley or Big 12? Who is to benefit from a tournament held in Des Moines? It must be Des Moines. Wells Fargo will get all the concessions, probably 50% of the gate with the other 50% shared by the 4 schools. Who benefits, Wells Fargo and Des Moines. If Iowa can't find time in their schedule to schedule in-state games with competent opponents then maybe they should drop the Campell Camels. It seems that every time Iowa loses to an in-state team they want to cancel any future games. Am I the only one that sees this?
