Is there a bigger loser in conference realignment than Mizzou?

Wesley

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Again, I go back to my primary point---this has nothing to do with geography...if you think so, you just haven't been paying attention. This is all about ego and $$$.
More ego than dollars. It was not about research dollars either.
 

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The Big East and Big XII are the only AQ conferences with contracts coming up soon. The SEC locked theirs in just in the last couple years.

Uh...no. The SEC contract will be re-negotiated to reflect the new additions to the conference.
 

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People act like the money the university gets goes right into their own pockets. Or that it allows you to play with 12 guys in football, or it allows you to recruit aliens or something. The Big conferences have enough money now after all the contracts are done. If you make 22M vs 25M...who cares.

Be careful what you ask for Mizzou, you might just get it.

Totally agree!
 

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More ego than dollars. It was not about research dollars either.

At last, we agree! MIZZOU's funding from the legislature is in the bottom 10 of the country. They fancy themselves an elite university....but they are operating with third world funding right now for academics.
 

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The Big East and Big XII are the only AQ conferences with contracts coming up soon. The SEC locked theirs in just in the last couple years.
SEC goes to 2025 and their shot at renegotiation needs to be upping the ante to 16 teams, not 14.
Television and radio contracts

The SEC televises football games across various networks during the fall. SEC coverage is primarily provided by CBS and the ESPN family of networks, which includes ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and ABC. Fox Sports Net also has rights to air seven live football games over the course of the season.[11]
ESPN reported paying $2.25 billion for broadcast rights of SEC football games beginning in the 2009 season and running through the fiscal year 2025.[12]
Games scheduled for airing are generally picked two weeks before they occur, with a few matches that are selected by CBS and ESPN prior to the season.
CBS has the first pick for a game and selects the highest-profile game to broadcast to a national, over-the-air audience. The CBS game is usually broadcast at 3:30 eastern time. Some weekends, CBS will air a doubleheader of SEC games.[13] CBS also has the rights for the SEC Championship Game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference
 

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SEC goes to 2020 and their shot at renegotiation needs to be upping the ante to 16 teams, not 14.

Uh...no. Take a look at the clause below.

"It's called a composition of conference clause and it says that if the composition of the conference changes, the networks and the conference has to prove whether the change makes the conference TV rights more or less valuable."

That came CNBC.com. There is no way the networks could argue the addition of the St. Louis and KC market didn't make the conference TV rights more valuable. This is the driving force behind conference expansion--TV sets.

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Uh...no. Take a look at the clause below.

"It's called a composition of conference clause and it says that if the composition of the conference changes, the networks and the conference has to prove whether the change makes the conference TV rights more or less valuable."

That came CNBC.com. There is no way the networks could argue the addition of the St. Louis and KC market didn't make the conference TV rights more valuable. This is the driving force behind conference expansion--TV sets.

Thanks for playing.
Beg to differ. Just because you add markets does not mean CBS and ESPN want to pay more than the original contract. The networks are not stupid. If the two teams were such a catch, word would be leaking from Slive how he outmaneuvered the networks.
 

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I think you are the one who needs to be posting details. You've made all of these claims with no sources.

"It's called a composition of conference clause and it says that if the composition of the conference changes, the networks and the conference has to prove whether the change makes the conference TV rights more or less valuable."

That came CNBC.com. There is no way the networks could argue the addition of the St. Louis and KC market didn't make the conference TV rights more valuable. This is the driving force behind conference expansion--TV sets.

Thanks for playing.

Buelher? Buelhler? Buelher? ....I didn't think so.
 

volclone

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Beg to differ. Just because you add markets does not mean CBS and ESPN want to pay more than the original contract. The networks are not stupid. If the two teams were such a catch, word would be leaking from Slive how he outmaneuvered the networks.

We'll see. I think it will be very very difficult for ESPN to play chicken with the SEC. Last time I checked they have won something like the last 6 national championships in a row.
 

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"It's called a composition of conference clause and it says that if the composition of the conference changes, the networks and the conference has to prove whether the change makes the conference TV rights more or less valuable."

That came CNBC.com.

Here's the rest of the article and link:

Texas A&M adds some of Texas, but it does not deliver the state of Texas like the Longhorns do. And the SEC already has a lucrative championship game.

"Adding one or two teams does not cause the entire agreement to be renegotiated," said Neal Pilson, former CBS Sports president, who now consults on television deals.

While Pilson said it's hard to argue that A&M's addition would dilute the conference, he says the Aggies have "minimal impact." "There are smart people at both ESPN and CBS and I would anticipate that they foresaw this type of contingency," Pilson said. "Based on their record over a period of time, it doesn't appear like Texas A&M is going to be in the top tier of teams in the SEC. So if there's any adjustment to the TV deals, I would anticipate that it would be a very modest adjustment, if anything."

If A&M was added as an equal partner, the TV deals would have to be bumped up by 8.3 percent in order for the SEC members to make the same money they make now off the TV deals. It's not a guarantee that will happen.

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Here's the rest of the article and link:



News Headlines

Again, this information is all about aTm....which adds a significant number of TV sets to the SEC....not to mention MIZZOU with KC and STL. We'll see, but don't be suprised if this deal is not re-done. Why else would the SEC expand? They are doing just fine without anyone else (what is the string of National Tiltles up to in football?).
 

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Again, this information is all about aTm....which adds a significant number of TV sets to the SEC....not to mention MIZZOU with KC and STL. We'll see, but don't be suprised if this deal is not re-done. Why else would the SEC expand? They are doing just fine without anyone else (what is the string of National Tiltles up to in football?).

Sorry...meant to say "if this deal is re-done.
 

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Again, this information is all about aTm....which adds a significant number of TV sets to the SEC....not to mention MIZZOU with KC and STL. We'll see, but don't be suprised if this deal is not re-done. Why else would the SEC expand? They are doing just fine without anyone else (what is the string of National Tiltles up to in football?).

Perhaps the SEC gets St Louis, but you're dreaming if you think Kansas City is now in the SEC market. First, KU is in the KC metro area, second, Kansas City is a self-proclaimed Big 12 town. I would almost guarantee little more than what SEC programming was already being aired in Kansas City due to what CBS or ESPN -SEC national contracts stipulates gets aired there in the future.
 

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We'll see. I think it will be very very difficult for ESPN to play chicken with the SEC. Last time I checked they have won something like the last 6 national championships in a row.

Which means what exactly as far as how the two schools entering effect the contract value? (hint: precisely ****) Just because you have more teams doesnt mean that suddenly the value goes up on a per-team basis. (while the market may have changed, so that if they did a complete renegotiation they could get more, they dont get to renegotiate that.. they have to renegotiate based on the relative increase brought by TAMU\MU, and only that portion is negotiable. If the SEC was paying X per million viewers i would imagine they would continue paying that same rate adjusted for the anticipated new viewership added by TAMU\MU).

Sure, the overall number may be bigger, but once divided by 14 may not be bigger. Could even be smaller. Who is the ratings driver in texas? Texas. What kind of ratings does missouri draw? (remember, if a conference does not have a network gaining money off of all cable subscribers, you have to get actual ratings, not just have a presence in a market). Just because you're near KC and STL doesnt mean you get all their viewers. Same for TAMU and Houston. What kind of ratings do they draw, especially now that they'll lose their biggest ratings draws of the year (KU and UT) with no equal replacement?
 

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Perhaps the SEC gets St Louis, but you're dreaming if you think Kansas City is now in the SEC market. First, KU is in the KC metro area, second, Kansas City is a self-proclaimed Big 12 town. I would almost guarantee little more than what SEC programming was already being aired in Kansas City due to what CBS or ESPN -SEC national contracts stipulates gets aired there in the future.

I don't disagree that KC is more of a Big XII town...and the people of KC are generally ****** about MIZZOU's move. But what the evil four letter word wants, they get. Ask yourself this...how many Duke basketball games have you in the Midwest been force to watch over the last 10 years?