Samuels' Suspension

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KSU held him from competition, he was not suspended by the NCAA. He took money from someone, which is not allowed. It doesn't matter what the person that gave the money gets in return. Don't want to miss a game, don't take money you didn't work for.

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KSU held him from competition, he was not suspended by the NCAA. He took money from someone, which is not allowed. It doesn't matter what the person that gave the money gets in return. Don't want to miss a game, don't take money you didn't work for.
Well if that's the sticking point I'm sure the argument could be made that he did work for it.
 

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This is bull****. He got $200 from a non KSU booster. The NCAA is a corrupt POS organization. Even worse that it was his last game. If this happens at Kentucky or UNC, it's swept under the rug.

and for the record, I hate KSU. I just hate the NCAA more.

Not a smart decision by him, but as you and others have said, dumb rule (and effective punishment) by the NCAA.
 

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KSU held him from competition, he was not suspended by the NCAA. He took money from someone, which is not allowed. It doesn't matter what the person that gave the money gets in return. Don't want to miss a game, don't take money you didn't work for.
I thought it wasn't allowed if the person was a booster. Since he wasn't a booster, isn't it legal? If no, where do you draw the line?
 

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While I agree that getting suspended for $200 is pretty weak, I would say that if he received $200 during the tournament he probably has received more in the past and just didn't get caught. Just sayin....
 

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Why not allow scholarship athletes to take a maximum $1-2,000 of financial aid, per semester, to live on and pay it back like 90% of students have to do? If they need the money, loan it to them. What am I missing?
 

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Why not allow scholarship athletes to take a maximum $1-2,000 of financial aid, per semester, to live on and pay it back like 90% of students have to do? If they need the money, loan it to them. What am I missing?

It would give people an unfair advantage to have the same ability to borrow money as other students. :jimlad:

I really don't see the issue in it. There's always the question over the value of student debt, but you don't teach people to be adults by preventing them from making choices.
 

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Why not allow scholarship athletes to take a maximum $1-2,000 of financial aid, per semester, to live on and pay it back like 90% of students have to do? If they need the money, loan it to them. What am I missing?

Are you saying they can't? ISU has a cost of living amount that allows for students to take out loan money for expenses beyond tuition, room and board and such. If this amount is not given by the athletic depatment then it would be available for private loans. I guess I don tknow exactly what their scholarship covers, but to say they can't take out loans doesnt seem right.
 

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KSU held him from competition, he was not suspended by the NCAA. He took money from someone, which is not allowed. It doesn't matter what the person that gave the money gets in return. Don't want to miss a game, don't take money you didn't work for.

In the meantime, Auburn and Ohio State skate . . . makes perfect NCAA sense.
 

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what did the aau coach get out of this? nothing. Idc about the "rules" NCAA rules are BS and a joke. I'm guessing the AAU coach and Samuel are close and Samuel just needed some cash to get by. what the hell is the big deal about $200 from a friend?? what a joke NCAA worry about the real problems. like one and done players getting thousands of dollars (cough Anthony Davis cough)

Yes, he certainly has no ulterior motives at all. It's not like he's currently being sued by Michael Beasley for steering him to an agent. No this guy would never do that.

Curtis Malone on Michael Beasley lawsuit: ‘Its premise is baseless’ - Terrapins Insider - The Washington Post

What is wrong with this world when a kid can't take some cash in exchange for signing with a certain agent. Damn you NCAA!
 

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This sounds an awful lot like the regular 'legalize it' debates around here.

On one side: "Everyone is doing it. What's the big deal? Pot/money is a victimless crime. The government/NCAA is crooked. Why do they worry about the small time offenders instead of going after the big fish?"

On the other: "Don't want to face the consequences, don't do it. Everyone involved knows it's against the law/rules, it's their own fault if the break it/them."
 

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Yes, he certainly has no ulterior motives at all. It's not like he's currently being sued by Michael Beasley for steering him to an agent. No this guy would never do that.

Curtis Malone on Michael Beasley lawsuit: ‘Its premise is baseless’ - Terrapins Insider - The Washington Post

What is wrong with this world when a kid can't take some cash in exchange for signing with a certain agent. Damn you NCAA!

I'm never going to feel sorry for KSU and Frank Martin. He may be a nice guy but if you choose to dance with the devil then you shouldn't cry when you get burned. Curtis Malone, Dalonte Hill the former KSU recruiting assistant that made 400k+ are both part of DC Assault which is an AAU program that is the poster child of the dirty side of college basketball recruiting.
 
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They get Samuels for receiving $200 but not unibrow from UK for receiving $150,000?

No, no, they know about it, they are just choosing to wait until after the tournament. Let UK have all the glory and fun of winning, keeping other teams out of it, i.e. ISU and others that lose to them along the way, and then a few years down the road, when Calipari leaves UK, they'll take them away.

Would you rather win a championship and have it taken away or never have a championship at all? This way the big names, UK and so forth can have the glory and get the TV exposure. Then they'll take it away when it really doesn't matter.
 

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Yes, he certainly has no ulterior motives at all. It's not like he's currently being sued by Michael Beasley for steering him to an agent. No this guy would never do that.

Curtis Malone on Michael Beasley lawsuit: ‘Its premise is baseless’ - Terrapins Insider - The Washington Post

What is wrong with this world when a kid can't take some cash in exchange for signing with a certain agent. Damn you NCAA!
Yeah, he was probably on the fence until that $200 was wired in, that was the turning point.
 

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Yeah, he was probably on the fence until that $200 was wired in, that was the turning point.

Yes, what a shame that the first and only time Samuels has gotten money from him he got caught. What an unlucky guy!
 

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Yes, what a shame that the first and only time Samuels has gotten money from him he got caught. What an unlucky guy!
See this would have been easier if you would have just said from the start that you had information that the rest of us didn't have. Please tell us about the other transactions so we may make an informed decision as well.
 

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See this would have been easier if you would have just said from the start that you had information that the rest of us didn't have. Please tell us about the other transactions so we may make an informed decision as well.

I don't know where you got the idea that I had additional information about any transactions between the two. I was just lamenting the fact that a player who has a longstanding relationship with a know runner for an agent got caught the very first time he ever recieved money from him. Why does God let bad things happen to good people! Why?!
 

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Not to mention the pre-existing relationship that existed. It sounds like this AAU Coach is practically a family member of this kids. So if some rich kid's Dad floats him a few thousand dollars it is cool, but if de facto AAU coach dad gives a kid some money to help him get by on its an NCAA violation.

Ridiculous.
 

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Not to mention the pre-existing relationship that existed. It sounds like this AAU Coach is practically a family member of this kids. So if some rich kid's Dad floats him a few thousand dollars it is cool, but if de facto AAU coach dad gives a kid some money to help him get by on its an NCAA violation.

Ridiculous.
Pre-existing because he was the kid's AAU coach?

And you don't see the issue because Scott Christopherson getting $3,000 from his dad versus getting it from his former AAU coach?
 

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Pre-existing because he was the kid's AAU coach?

And you don't see the issue because Scott Christopherson getting $3,000 from his dad versus getting it from his former AAU coach?
Always launder money through the parents first.