The one and done rule?

[daniel22]

Do you think the one and done rule has hurt or helped basketball? Players like A.Davis, H.Barnes, P. Jones III, MKG, etc would have probably would have went to the NBA straight out of HS. It is nice to see these players in the college game, but do you think that now that these kids are available teams might try and circumvent the rules in an attempt to land them. Also, paying for these scholarships for these kids to play ball for one year, isn't what higher education is for. Would it make more sense for the kids to stay two years or eliminate the rule or keep it the same?

 

[HiltonMagic23]

Helped no doubt

 

[BigM]

hurt and helped, you now have these teams like kentucky full of kids not really invested into the university because they know they're gone after a year. i think a baseball style rule would be better, you can go right out of high school but if you choose to attend college you have to stay at least 3 years

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Here is how it should be. If you are good enough to go pro, you can go pro out of HS. So players like LeBron, KG, Dwight Howard, ect can go and be superstars. However, if you elect to go to college, you are required to stay for 3 years. Just like baseball.

EDIT: BigM you are a gentleman and a scholar.

 

[daniel22]

Re: The one and done rule?and

Here is how it should be. If you are good enough to go pro, you can go pro out of HS. So players like LeBron, KG, Dwight Howard, ect can go and be superstars. However, if you elect to go to college, you are required to stay for 3 years. Just like baseball.

EDIT: BigM you are a gentleman and a scholar.

I like that idea. If you decide to attend college you have to stay a certain amount of time. I do think if you are good enough to make it pro, then you should go. But when these kids get bad advice and go pro and don't get drafted, that is where this rule helps these kids.

The thing that bothers me is that these kids who don't take education seriously (some) and go pro after a year of college and makes millions! ugh!

 

[Drive4cy]

^I would like to see it similar to baseball too. Either you leave after HS or you have to wait 2 years. The way it currently is has watered down college basketball quite a bit IMO. Most, if not all the top programs are running with freshman and sophomores almost exclusively. Part of that is the 1 and done rule but part of that is the culture has changed. Players rarely stay anymore, probably because they are simply following the trend. Either way I would like to see something change. No offense to the KU team that played tonight but if that's the 2nd best team in college basketball then the sport isn't doing very well IMO. Some of the teams from KU past would beat this years team by 10-15 pts easily.

 

[clone4good]

The one and done rule doesn't work. I think that there needs to be a rule that either A. Lets high school kids leave after high school. B. Makes them stay for 3 years in college. Or C. Reduce scholarship counts so each team has 10 scholarships.

If you make kids stay for three years other teams will get a chance at these great high school kids coming out of high school. Instead Kentucky will announce that 3 or 4 players are going to the NBA tomorrow and they will get the 3 top or top 15 kids that are uncommitted right now.

I know reducing the scholarship count doesn't really work either (injuries and what not) but it would be nice because it would allow other teams to have a chance with these other top recruits.

 

[cyclones500]

Do you think the one and done rule has hurt or helped basketball? Players like A.Davis, H.Barnes, P. Jones III, MKG, etc would have probably would have went to the NBA straight out of HS. It is nice to see these players in the college game, but do you think that now that these kids are available teams might try and circumvent the rules in an attempt to land them. Also, paying for these scholarships for these kids to play ball for one year, isn't what higher education is for. Would it make more sense for the kids to stay two years or eliminate the rule or keep it the same?

Since it's an NBA rule, it probably doesn't "solve" anything as far as separation between spirit of collegiate amateurism and "only goal is professional basketball."

(I'm not even sure that was "the goal" anyway. I don't claim to be an expert on the evolution of this).

A lot of different issues connected to the entire subject, such as (1) recruiting effects; (2) actual validity of players' potential at next level; (3) scholastic integrity; (4) Other.

Related article by Doyel on CBS.com — although I agree with some points he makes, this doesn't necessarily reflect all of my opinions on the subject.

One-and-done? Wish that were the case with tiresome anti-Cal argument - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and RPI Rankings

 

[mclatch]

Why not let players come back to school at some (any) point and play out their eligibility? And keep four years of eligibilty the rule for only those that do choose to be paid to play? Let the "amateurs" continue to play on scholarship as long as the school is willing to provide one.

 

[Clone96]

Here is how it should be. If you are good enough to go pro, you can go pro out of HS. So players like LeBron, KG, Dwight Howard, ect can go and be superstars. However, if you elect to go to college, you are required to stay for 3 years. Just like baseball.

Both The NCAA & The NBA have said they want add something like this to the NBA CBA (their proposal is if you go to college, you have to stay 2 years), but the players association has repeatedly said no.

 

[mkadl]

^I would like to see it similar to baseball too. Either you leave after HS or you have to wait 2 years. The way it currently is has watered down college basketball quite a bit IMO. Most, if not all the top programs are running with freshman and sophomores almost exclusively. Part of that is the 1 and done rule but part of that is the culture has changed. Players rarely stay anymore, probably because they are simply following the trend. Either way I would like to see something change. No offense to the KU team that played tonight but if that's the 2nd best team in college basketball then the sport isn't doing very well IMO. Some of the teams from KU past would beat this years team by 10-15 pts easily.

So KU really messed your brackets up? :wink:

 

[mkadl]

Was this Royce Whites first or second or third year of eligibility? Could he have went pro after sitting out a year at Minnesota? Or after sitting out a year at ISU? Or did he have to wait until now? Kind of a foggy situation, not?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Here is how it should be. If you are good enough to go pro, you can go pro out of HS. So players like LeBron, KG, Dwight Howard, ect can go and be superstars. However, if you elect to go to college, you are required to stay for 3 years. Just like baseball.

EDIT: BigM you are a gentleman and a scholar.

That sounds like a good compromise to me.

 

[erikbj]

Was this Royce Whites first or second or third year of eligibility? Could he have went pro after sitting out a year at Minnesota? Or after sitting out a year at ISU? Or did he have to wait until now? Kind of a foggy situation, not?

if he was playing baseball he could go pro, it is being removed from HS for 3 years / 3 academic years (not 3 years on the court).

 

[azepp]

Was this Royce Whites first or second or third year of eligibility? Could he have went pro after sitting out a year at Minnesota? Or after sitting out a year at ISU? Or did he have to wait until now? Kind of a foggy situation, not?

I believe it's the NBA's rule that you have to be 19. I don't think the rule says you have to go to college at all. Only that you have to be 19.

 

[longtimeclone]

I believe it's the NBA's rule that you have to be 19. I don't think the rule says you have to go to college at all. Only that you have to be 19.

You have to be 19 and one year removed from high school.

Brandon Jennings actually played ball in Europe instead of going to college for a year.

 

[longtimeclone]

Both The NCAA & The NBA have said they want add something like this to the NBA CBA (their proposal is if you go to college, you have to stay 2 years), but the players association has repeatedly said no.

Does anyone know the reasons the players association is against this? Is it something to do with players losing 2-3 years of playing in the nba? I wonder that since so much of the talent judged in the NBA is by potential that after 2-3 years of playing in college that players could be evaluated fairly well and lose out on some money.

 

[Clonefan94]

^I would like to see it similar to baseball too. Either you leave after HS or you have to wait 2 years. The way it currently is has watered down college basketball quite a bit IMO. Most, if not all the top programs are running with freshman and sophomores almost exclusively. Part of that is the 1 and done rule but part of that is the culture has changed. Players rarely stay anymore, probably because they are simply following the trend. Either way I would like to see something change. No offense to the KU team that played tonight but if that's the 2nd best team in college basketball then the sport isn't doing very well IMO. Some of the teams from KU past would beat this years team by 10-15 pts easily.

This is the kind of comments that confuse me. I hear left and right from everyone how football needs to be more like basketball and have a playoff system. Then I see comments like yours above. In the end though, this is what you get when you have a playoff. It may not actually be the "perceived" best team in the country even, playing for the title. I don't really think College basketball is in bad shape at all, quite the contrary, this is what makes it so great, you don't have to be ranked 1 or 2 to get a chance to play for the championship.

 

[jbhtexas]

Both The NCAA & The NBA have said they want add something like this to the NBA CBA (their proposal is if you go to college, you have to stay 2 years), but the players association has repeatedly said no.

Correct. As I understand it, the NBA players generally don't really like the less mature players coming out of high school, but they know that most will still go to college for at least a year or two. Thus, the players don't want to put a formal policy in place, as the current arrangement generates better publicity for them in certain circles.

There's really not much the NCAA can do about it. About all they could do is start penalizing schools via APR for players that leave for the NBA after their freshman or sophomore years, which would force coaches to recruit less talented players. It would be quite interesting to see none of the McDonalds All-Americans getting a college scholarship offer. I can only imagine the firestorm that would create...

 

[CycloneVet]

The rule isnt for the superstars, its for the kids whose entourage tells them they are the next greatest thing when they are not. The year in college is a safety blanket in my opinion for the kids that need to develop. If after that year reality sets in that they arent ready they can always stay in school, where as if they hire an agent out of high school college basketball isnt an option.