Albert Gary - charges reduced

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mikem

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Yeah, because no one has ever done anything idiotic while at ISU before!


It's a knee jerk reaction. The see the word "felony" and jump to conclusions without either waiting for, or bothering to ascertain facts. I believe the technical term for that is generally regarded to be "jerks".


It is not a knee jerk reaction at all. It IS, however, a slippery slope for a program to try to navigate when they allow these guys back on the team.

I think everyone knows that Iowa State has to take chances on the recruiting trail. But when guys come to Ames, and do something this frightening and stupid, there has to be consequences.

I know that he is a good enough player, that he will be on the team this Fall, probably even starting...But that doesn't mean that I support it, or think it is right. If he is still playing here, then CPR has really dropped the ball, and people have every right to be disappointed and upset. I know that I will be.
 

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Yeah, you're right. The victim who was...patted down. Oh, the horror! The horror!!!!

Way to ignore the whole gun thing. If an average person is approached by a group of men at night and has a gun pointed at them while being patted down in a blatant robbery attempt, I bet they'd need a new pair of underwear. Hell, you would probably need new pants. But you don't care about this victim because Albert Gary is good at catching a football and that means we like him.
 

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A prank is not going armed with the intent to rob others. A prank is not comitting theft in the 1st degree. A prank does not involve the crime of moral turpitude. I don't care if the gun was a bb gun or a fake gun or a "real" gun and neither does Iowa Code. If anyone would have been armed with a "real" gun they could have and should have used deadly force on Gary (as long as the believed that the gun was real/ife in danger etc.).

Albert is still guilty of the crime for which he got a deferred judgement for. The defendant can not be offered a deferred judegement without a plea of guilty or a guilty verdict. Hope these guys know that in Iowa, in your lifetime you can only accept a deferred judement once.

I don't care how good Albert is, he should only be able to show off his talents at a different school (if he were luck enough to get an offer from elsewhere).
 
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I pulled a pellet gun on my brother and shot him in the *** and got away with it! No felonious woot woot!
 

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A prank is not going armed with the intent to rob others. A prank is not comitting theft in the 1st degree. A prank does not involve the crime of moral turpitude. I don't care if the gun was a bb gun or a fake gun or a "real" gun and neither does Iowa Code. If anyone would have been armed with a "real" gun they could have and should have used deadly force on Gary (as long as the believed that the gun was real/ife in danger etc.).

Albert is still guilty of the crime for which he got a deferred judgement for. The defendant can not be offered a deferred judegement without a plea of guilty or a guilty verdict. Hope these guys know that in Iowa, in your lifetime you can only accept a deferred judement once.

I don't care how good Albert is, he should only be able to show off his talents at a different school (if he were luck enough to get an offer from elsewhere).

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I am not sure if this link will show-up. Royce White was found not guilty of theft, and guilty of only disorderly conduct. Look up his case if the results don't show up on the link

http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1613138676

According to the link the on 11/17/2009 his plea not guilty to disorderly conduct and theft.

On 12/02/2009 his plea was guilty to the same two charge. The judge accepted his plea and convicted him of the two crimes.

Level of sentence for disorderly conduct = convicted of a misdemeanor.
Level of sentence for theft = convicted of a petty misdemeanor.
 

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According to the link the on 11/17/2009 his plea not guilty to disorderly conduct and theft.

On 12/02/2009 his plea was guilty to the same two charge. The judge accepted his plea and convicted him of the two crimes.

Level of sentence for disorderly conduct = convicted of a misdemeanor.
Level of sentence for theft = convicted of a petty misdemeanor.

I would not think that Gary would have plead guilty if he was looking at jail time. So I hope that he too takes advantage of his second chance, at his school, and can be a source of inspiration like Royce was here.

Unfortunately, I am pretty sure that he will be in Ames this Fall, and we should all hope that he doesn't decide to terrorize anymore innocent people...:sad:
 

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711.1 ROBBERY DEFINED.
A person commits a robbery when, having the intent to commit a
theft, the person does any of the following acts to assist or further
the commission of the intended theft or the person's escape from the
scene thereof with or without the stolen property:
1. Commits an assault upon another.
2. Threatens another with or purposely puts another in fear of
immediate
serious injury.
3. Threatens to commit immediately any forcible felony.
It is immaterial to the question of guilt or innocence of robbery
that property was or was not actually stolen.



Sounds like the original charge was justified. He knew he would be toast if he chose to take the robbery charge to trial. So he pled guilty to third degree theft:

1. The theft of property exceeding ten thousand dollars in value,
or the theft of property from the person of another, or from a
building which has been destroyed or left unoccupied because of
physical disaster, riot, bombing, or the proximity of battle, or the
theft of property which has been removed from a building because of a
physical disaster, riot, bombing, or the proximity of battle, is
theft in the first degree. Theft in the first degree is a class "C"
felony.

Obviously, he never took anything worth anything near 10k as required by the theft charge. But that he still chose to to plead guilty to plead guilty to the theft charge shows that the prosecution would have had no trouble convicting him on the robbery charge.
 

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Yeah, because other college kids never do really stupid things that could be felonies depending on the result but get lucky. Keep cheering for them because they didn't get charged.

It's a Pellet gun and don't bother with citing the law. I know what it says. I also know if your kid showed a pellet gun (not pointed it at someone) to someone and patted someone down that you wouldn't think it should be a felony.

The response would go something like, "He's a stupid kid. He didn't intend to rob anyone. He didn't take anything and didn't realize what he was doing was such a big mistake. Can you give him a break? He's sorry and won't ever do anything so stupid again. We will make a full apology to the victim."

But since it isn't your child, throw the book at him. Yeah, I am flabbergasted that some people actually understand the reality of what happened and not the joke of what people have tried to turn it into.

Why are they reducing the charges then? Yeah, I know the answer to that too.

I seriously hope your kids (or other people's kids) are not doing stupid things that could be considered felonies and getting lucky.
 

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Way to ignore the whole gun thing. If an average person is approached by a group of men at night and has a gun pointed at them while being patted down in a blatant robbery attempt, I bet they'd need a new pair of underwear. Hell, you would probably need new pants. But you don't care about this victim because Albert Gary is good at catching a football and that means we like him.

Exactly. If Albert wasn't good at football, people here would agree that he's a punk criminal, and should suffer the consequences of his stupidity. But since he has the potential to really help the team this year, it's all good ... it was just a prank ... we've all done stupid things ... etc ... etc. WRONG. I don't care how good he is. I'm close to someone who was a victim of armed robbery, and I have ZERO sympathy or tolerance for guys like Albert. And I REALLY hope CPR does the right thing and sends him on his way. If not, my respect for CPR will continue to drop.
 

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Yeah, because other college kids never do really stupid things that could be felonies depending on the result but get lucky. Keep cheering for them because they didn't get charged.

It's a Pellet gun and don't bother with citing the law. I know what it says. I also know if your kid showed a pellet gun (not pointed it at someone) to someone and patted someone down that you wouldn't think it should be a felony.

The response would go something like, "He's a stupid kid. He didn't intend to rob anyone. He didn't take anything and didn't realize what he was doing was such a big mistake. Can you give him a break? He's sorry and won't ever do anything so stupid again. We will make a full apology to the victim."

But since it isn't your child, throw the book at him. Yeah, I am flabbergasted that some people actually understand the reality of what happened and not the joke of what people have tried to turn it into.

Why are they reducing the charges then? Yeah, I know the answer to that too.


Yeah college kids are getting away with felonies all the time :jimlad:. Here is a list of felonies that can be considered harmless youthful stupidity:

Class A Felony
murder
rape
kidnapping
manslaughter
arson

Class B Felony
manslaughter
kidnapping
drug crimes
sexual crimes
robbery
larceny

Class C Felony
theft in the 1st degree
burglary
human trafficking where victim is less than 18 years old
criminal gang participation


Class D Felony
theft in the 2nd degree
felonious driving
burglary in the 3rd degree
incest
 

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I am not sure if this link will show-up. Royce White was found not guilty of theft, and guilty of only disorderly conduct. Look up his case if the results don't show up on the link

http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1613138676

There were two incidents. In one instance a laptop was stolen. In the second instance clothing from a store was stolen.

White pled guilty to theft. And disorderly conduct in the Mall of America incident. In the laptop incident he pled guilty to trespassing.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=829726
 
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Here's my problem with this if Albert doesn't at least receive some more punishment from Rhoads..... would it have been different if he wasn't any good? I believe so.

There is the sign down by the football field that every player touches that reads "Honor before Victory". If Albert Gary doesn't, at the very least, get several more games suspension, then this sign the players all touch is meaningless in my eyes.

I realize Albert already served a 4 game suspension, but Rhoads said more punishment could be coming depending on the outcome of the trial. I think another 3-4 games is warranted in this situation, but won't be surprised to see him get nothing either. Coaches are under a tremendous amount of pressure to win these days. Especially football.... it finances the entire athletic department.
 

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Here's my problem with this if Albert doesn't at least receive some more punishment from Rhoads..... would it have been different if he wasn't any good? I believe so.

There is the sign down by the football field that every player touches that reads "Honor before Victory". If Albert Gary doesn't, at the very least, get several more games suspension, then this sign the players all touch is meaningless in my eyes.

I realize Albert already served a 4 game suspension, but Rhoads said more punishment could be coming depending on the outcome of the trial. I think another 3-4 games is warranted in this situation, but won't be surprised to see him get nothing either. Coaches are under a tremendous amount of pressure to win these days. Especially football.... it finances the entire athletic department.

Albert Gary may be serving punishment right now for all we know.

Everyone says that they don't want a replay of the Berryman situation. IIRC, the Berryman situation worked out pretty well until he went to a bar a few days before his 21st Birthday which revoked his probation and resulted in him being booted from the team. Someplace other than Ames and Berryman is fine.

Albert Gary did something incredibly stupid. Sounds more like a prank gone bad. Yes, punish him and give him probation. But ruin his life over it? If your kid did what Albert Gary did you would want some compassion from the legal system and some type of common sense used. As far as his playing for ISU, if he gets in any more trouble then he is gone. But I have no problem with him in a Cyclone uniform if Rhoads keeps him on the team.
 

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It is not a knee jerk reaction at all. It IS, however, a slippery slope for a program to try to navigate when they allow these guys back on the team.

I think everyone knows that Iowa State has to take chances on the recruiting trail. But when guys come to Ames, and do something this frightening and stupid, there has to be consequences.

I know that he is a good enough player, that he will be on the team this Fall, probably even starting...But that doesn't mean that I support it, or think it is right. If he is still playing here, then CPR has really dropped the ball, and people have every right to be disappointed and upset. I know that I will be.

I encourage all of the folks who believe that this behavior is unacceptable under any circumstance, to e-mail Steven Leath`s office and let him know your concerns. I believe this should be handled swiftly at the University level.
 
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I encourage all of the folks who believe that this behavior is unacceptable under any circumstance, to e-mail Steven Leath`s office and let him know your concerns. I believe this should be handled swiftly at the University level.

Why not let the people in charge take care of it and quit bothering them with what you think should happen. If you wanted to make these types of decisions, maybe you should be a university president.
 

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It's threads like these that embarass me as a cyclone fan. The kid served a 4 game suspension. MORE than enough. I really think it makes certain people feel good playing the moral superiority role. You guys are jokes...it's college freaking football.
 

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It's threads like these that embarass me as a cyclone fan. The kid served a 4 game suspension. MORE than enough. I really think it makes certain people feel good playing the moral superiority role. You guys are jokes...it's college freaking football.

Do you have children? If so, is their safety important to you? Or is it more important that the football team be competetive than a safe environment be provided for students on campus? I can certainly see your embarrasment, but it would not be for the reasons you state. For some reason, there is a faction of society that believes being an athlete precludes one from being a responsible citizen who is held accountable as everyone else is. Mr Gary is going to be a convicted felon who brandished a gun on central campus in commission of a robbery. Hopefully he will be history soon, when concerned parents and citizens flood Mr Leath`s e-mail with their concerns.
 

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I really hope this doesn't turn into an email Jamie Pollard and President Leath thread. People need to stop worrying about things they have no control over.
 
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