Paterno Statue to be Removed

[jdoggivjc]

Makes sense for them to negotiate something and take their penalties sooner than later. The longer this drags out for PSU, the worse it gets. Anything short of shutting down the fb program for at least a season will be seen as a huge NCAA failure, and there will be a lot of outrage.

If that happens, I wonder if their new fb coach has some escape clause in his contract.

Of course, there's going to be a lot of outrage, including by some prominent people on this site. "The NCAA has no right or precedence to do this." "They should have left the punishment to the law." Whatever. Personally, I think it's nice to see the NCAA actually taking a stand on an issue, especially against one of it's most prominent members.

 

[Mr Janny]

Of course, there's going to be a lot of outrage, including by some prominent people on this site. "The NCAA has no right or precedence to do this." "They should have left the punishment to the law." Whatever. Personally, I think it's nice to see the NCAA actually taking a stand on an issue, especially against one of it's most prominent members.

I'll stand by the opinion that if you believe the NCAA has to punish Penn State in order for justice to truly be done in this situation, then your priorities are as mixed up as the JoePa homers who don't see how he did anything wrong.

Putting sports on a pedestal is what led to the fiasco, and in the end, if the NCAA sanctions are what's primarily remembered about the punishment, then sports are still on that pedestal.

That is not to say that I will be outraged if the NCAA hands down penalties. Far from it. Part of me will, however, be disappointed that an opportunity for a real culture change was missed.

 

[Mr Janny]

Joe Schad ‏ @ schadjoe Penn State sanctions expected to be extremely harsh and could even be perceived as more damaging long-term than "death penalty"

RT @schadjoe: Mark Emmert was granted authority to punish PSU in unprecedented manner by NCAA Board and Committee

That's got to be scaring some folks in Happy Valley. I've been skulking around their Audibles message board. It's really interesting to hear their perspective. A lot of "See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil." going on.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I'll stand by the opinion that if you believe the NCAA has to punish Penn State in order for justice to truly be done in this situation, then your priorities are as mixed up as the JoePa homers who don't see how he did anything wrong.

Putting sports on a pedestal is what led to the fiasco, and in the end, if the NCAA sanctions are what's primarily remembered about the punishment, then sports are still on that pedestal.

That is not to say that I will be outraged if the NCAA hands down penalties. Far from it. Part of me will, however, be disappointed that an opportunity for a real culture change was missed.

And I stand by the assertion that you can't get through to some people unless you take their most prized possession away from them. For far too many people in the Penn St community, that would be their football program. The attitude that the well-being of teenaged boys isn't nearly as important as the almighty football is one that infests that community and is one that won't be solved by "letting the law handle it" because that method doesn't get to the common fan. Taking away their football does.

 

[Clonefan32]

Joe Schad ‏ @ schadjoe Penn State sanctions expected to be extremely harsh and could even be perceived as more damaging long-term than "death penalty"

RT @schadjoe: Mark Emmert was granted authority to punish PSU in unprecedented manner by NCAA Board and Committee

That's got to be scaring some folks in Happy Valley. I've been skulking around their Audibles message board. It's really interesting to hear their perspective. A lot of "See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil." going on.

The big question is if the punishments are worse than the death penalty, what do we call it?

 

[rebecacy]

The NCAA needed to act quickly and get this loss of institutional control and clear breach of ethics, in the PSU football program, into the rearview mirror. Someone gets it and a clear statement is about to be made. Then, hopefully sometime in the future, healing will begin. The PSU football program needs this stake driven into the ground. And a full stop, so it can move forward and not stay mired in their ugly past..

 

[Mr Janny]

And I stand by the assertion that you can't get through to some people unless you take their most prized possession away from them. For far too many people in the Penn St community, that would be their football program. The attitude that the well-being of teenaged boys isn't nearly as important as the almighty football is one that infests that community and is one that won't be solved by "letting the law handle it" because that method doesn't get to the common fan. Taking away their football does.

So, you want to punish the common Penn State fan? What specific transgression have they been guilty of?

 

[uro cy]

The big question is if the punishments are worse than the death penalty, what do we call it?

A double wrist slap?
I have the feeling there is going to be a lot of disappointment with these penalties.

 

[jdoggivjc]

So, you want to punish the common Penn State fan? What specific transgression have they been guilty of?

Hmm. The fact that you had idiots "protecting" the statue from removal, the outrage that ensued upon his firing, and the fact that they would still have him coaching the team if he were still alive. Are they crimes? No. Do they enable the problem that occurred and is still occurring at Penn St? Absolutely.

 

[gocubs2118]

If you want to know what's wrong with the PSU fanbase, go check out their message board. It's disgusting.

 

[Mr Janny]

A double wrist slap?
I have the feeling there is going to be a lot of disappointment with these penalties.

you make a good point. "Unprecedented" doesn't necessarily mean harsh, just that they haven't been done before.

If they end up with a 3-4 year bowl ban, loss of 10-15 schollies a year, and a requirement to donate a portion of their ticket sales to a children's charity, that would be "unprecedented" but would probably be viewed as light compared to what a lot of folks want.

 

[rebecacy]

So, you want to punish the common Penn State fan? What specific transgression have they been guilty of?

This is about changing a toxic culture. It takes a harsh step. You see the hear, see and speak no evil at the PSU site and in Happy Valley. They need to accept something bad happened in the football program. So you slap the football program in the face.

 

[Mr Janny]

Hmm. The fact that you had idiots "protecting" the statue from removal, the outrage that ensued upon his firing, and the fact that they would still have him coaching the team if he were still alive. Are they crimes? No. Do they enable the problem that occurred and is still occurring at Penn St? Absolutely.

So, let's break all that down. Their transgression is their opinion on the way things have been handled since the story broke. And for their opinion, they deserve to be punished. Am I right?

 

[Mr Janny]

This is about changing a toxic culture. It takes a harsh step. You see the hear, see and speak no evil at the PSU site and in Happy Valley. They need to accept something bad happened in the football program. So you slap the football program in the face.

do you really think that a bowl ban and loss of games is going to make those people accept what Joe Paterno has done? Not a chance. Go read their board. The deniers are already making every excuse in the book as to why this is just a big railroad job. Any penalties are just going to feed into their narrative.

Make no mistake, no amount of penalties are going to make them "accept" anything about what happened.

 

[CysRage]

My first thought as well when they said it will be stores in a "secure location".

 

[Mr Janny]

I will say that the funniest people on the Penn State boards are the ones advocating that PSU withdraw from the NCAA.

They want to avoid the potential for the death penalty by effectively giving themselves the death penalty?

I mean, who in the world would they play if they were not in the NCAA? What player would ever want to go there? Who would go to the games? That program would be dead in 5 years if they actually went through with it.

 

[Mr Janny]

My first thought as well when they said it will be stores in a "secure location".

Does Penn State, or the NCAA for that matter, really have anyone on staff who would qualify as "Top Men" though?

 

[uro cy]

do you really think that a bowl ban and loss of games is going to make those people accept what Joe Paterno has done? Not a chance. Go read their board. The deniers are already making every excuse in the book as to why this is just a big railroad job. Any penalties are just going to feed into their narrative.

Make no mistake, no amount of penalties are going to make them "accept" anything about what happened.

Agreed, NCAA penalties won't change a culture by themselves. But there still needs to be some institutional punishment. Maybe a few there will get it, but also to put other institutions on notice.

 

[rebecacy]

do you really think that a bowl ban and loss of games is going to make those people accept what Joe Paterno has done? Not a chance. Go read their board. The deniers are already making every excuse in the book as to why this is just a big railroad job. Any penalties are just going to feed into their narrative.

Make no mistake, no amount of penalties are going to make them "accept" anything about what happened.

It's about culture change, the 80 / 20 rule applies.

ESPN update http://espn.go.com/college-football...recedented-sanctions-penn-state-nittany-lions

 

[SuperCy]

Saw this on Twitter. Odd timing. If I remember right, Sara Ganim was the one who broke the story.

Sara Ganim ‏@sganim
. @DVNJr reporting Sue #Paterno devastated about statue. It was taken down exactly 6 mo after her husband died.