A freshman rb getting visibly upset with a senior qb in on his first series after a lackluster performance by the soph qb may be a glimpse of what is going on with this offense. Leadership is good, we need more but only if it can complete open throws. Neither have proven they can do it consistently. Give one a chance against Baylor and if that doesn't work out, might be time to look to the future. Problem is if Rohach is ahead of Richardson, then you have to think about playing him. No reason to not to play a freshman that if better than your rs freshman. Problem could be Rohach might be a better drop back passer in which case a total revamp of the scheme might be iffy at this point but I would like to see more two back sets and option. Zone read is not working at all.
Official Start Sam Richardson Thread
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I don't know about starting him, but I think I'm at the point where I am ready to starting rotating him in with JB and going with whomever is hot. I watched the replay and I'm more convinced than ever that Barnett (as much as I like him) isn't a BCS caliber QB. The OL is not helping him and the WRs as we know are VERY limited and had 4-5 drops. It was another absolutely putrid performance, basically by every offensive unit.
After starting 7 of his first 11, Barnett then proceeds to go 12 of his next 28 for a 42.8% completion rate with one pick and two others that should have been picked - PUKE. Sorry, that defense wasn't THAT good. They had some very nice athletes, but pretty much middle of the road BCS unit - nothing special in my opinion. We all saw the blown flea flicker but what about on the previous drive where he overthrows Young by ten yards when the CB fell down when he bit on the stop-go route. There are 50 QBs playing in Texas HS that can make these throws. Probably 8-10 balls that just died getting hung up in the air - plays where the play was there but Barnett just cannot get the ball there on time.
I'm starting to be concerned that we're wasting our time with Barnett. Maybe he just doesn't have enough upside to the 'green' QB we're giving on the job training to. Barring some huge turnaround, I think it's pretty clear that we're the worst offense in the conference. The defense is continually being asked to do way too much by the ineptness of the offense. I'm ready to at least see what Sam can do against a real Big12 defense. Can it get markedly worse than what we're seeing now? I guess I'm not sure at this point. We're just THAT awful on offense. We need to stop doing the SAME exact things at this point, in my opinion. If that means splitting the series with Richardson and going with whoever looks better than so be it. This terrible rubbish has worn thin.
After starting 7 of his first 11, Barnett then proceeds to go 12 of his next 28 for a 42.8% completion rate with one pick and two others that should have been picked - PUKE. Sorry, that defense wasn't THAT good. They had some very nice athletes, but pretty much middle of the road BCS unit - nothing special in my opinion. We all saw the blown flea flicker but what about on the previous drive where he overthrows Young by ten yards when the CB fell down when he bit on the stop-go route. There are 50 QBs playing in Texas HS that can make these throws. Probably 8-10 balls that just died getting hung up in the air - plays where the play was there but Barnett just cannot get the ball there on time.
I'm starting to be concerned that we're wasting our time with Barnett. Maybe he just doesn't have enough upside to the 'green' QB we're giving on the job training to. Barring some huge turnaround, I think it's pretty clear that we're the worst offense in the conference. The defense is continually being asked to do way too much by the ineptness of the offense. I'm ready to at least see what Sam can do against a real Big12 defense. Can it get markedly worse than what we're seeing now? I guess I'm not sure at this point. We're just THAT awful on offense. We need to stop doing the SAME exact things at this point, in my opinion. If that means splitting the series with Richardson and going with whoever looks better than so be it. This terrible rubbish has worn thin.
Barnett simply doesn't have the arm strength to make confident accurate throws. Having to throw on the run all the time due to the issues on the line makes it even worse and not nearly as effective as a runner which I attribute to hicks and osemelee graduating.
I am okay with trying either Richardson or Rohach. Here's the problem - unless the OL starts playing better, and I mean as of tomorrow, it's not going to matter who's at QB. The way they're playing lately they're going to get one of our QBs killed. The QB is having to run for his life on every other snap, and this is just with the 4 DLs. Want to know why our QBs can't find open receivers downfield on the scramble? That's what happens when the defense can drop 7 on every play.
Someone earlier said something along the lines of they can't believe how effective Barnett was last year and how bad he is this year. The difference is last year the OL was good enough to run block consistently, which is going to play into the hands of a read option QB like Barnett. Unfortunately, the OL can't run block, either - or did you think it was a coincidence that we have no running game?
The real kicker is Jantz and Barnett might actually be decent QBs if they played on other teams.
No part of this offense is working right now, but it all starts with the OL. Until the OL starts at least forcing the defense to blitz because they are no longer getting pressure with the front 4, it doesn't matter how bad the rest of the positions are.
Someone earlier said something along the lines of they can't believe how effective Barnett was last year and how bad he is this year. The difference is last year the OL was good enough to run block consistently, which is going to play into the hands of a read option QB like Barnett. Unfortunately, the OL can't run block, either - or did you think it was a coincidence that we have no running game?
The real kicker is Jantz and Barnett might actually be decent QBs if they played on other teams.
No part of this offense is working right now, but it all starts with the OL. Until the OL starts at least forcing the defense to blitz because they are no longer getting pressure with the front 4, it doesn't matter how bad the rest of the positions are.
Your first sentence disproves the bolded phrase, IMO. If there were good leadership on the team they would be All In for the Team and getting each other through debacles like this afternoon.
Barnett's big issue is he trys to guide his passes too often. Instead of just throwing it, he's over trying on aiming it. He also rarely steps up in pressure - causing short passes. I think his arm strength is fine for college ball - it's the other things giving him problems.
Jantz throws a better ball, just takes too many risks and makes more questionable decisions. Better upside, higher risk for downside.
No one has a clue what Richardson can do in a game other than garbage time. He is just another name option for fans to toss out at this point to give some false sense of hope. He could be great. He could be more of the same.
No one will make a differene until the line performs much better, receivers actually catch the damn ball and play calling actually makes sense. There are so many problems with this offense right now - is it really smart to throw a newbie in there and potentially harming the confidence (self and team) for a young QB and adding further to the controversy mess? Offensive leadership sucks right now and the QB musical chairs is not helping.
Jantz throws a better ball, just takes too many risks and makes more questionable decisions. Better upside, higher risk for downside.
No one has a clue what Richardson can do in a game other than garbage time. He is just another name option for fans to toss out at this point to give some false sense of hope. He could be great. He could be more of the same.
No one will make a differene until the line performs much better, receivers actually catch the damn ball and play calling actually makes sense. There are so many problems with this offense right now - is it really smart to throw a newbie in there and potentially harming the confidence (self and team) for a young QB and adding further to the controversy mess? Offensive leadership sucks right now and the QB musical chairs is not helping.
What I saw from Nealy was frustrating, disappointing and embarrassing. And very telling of just how poor the state of the offense is.
Our OL is struggling FAR more than I ever thought they would have. Nobody is playing well, but I think I saw more breakdowns from the guard spots than anywhere else. Barnett had a number of very nice reads in the inverted veer and a few nice swing passes, but when he had do make almost any other throw, it's at best a con flip as to whether the ball is even going to be catchable. That's frustrating and painful to watch. The receivers are doing NOTHING to help him out and I've said from the very start of the season, these guys need to help out our QBs. He can't shoulder all the blame however, as the OL had many breakdowns which forced Barnett to have to improvise something - that's not playing to his talent and strengths. This was with OSU basically playing is straight up, with a SAM basically pinching forward to close off the strong side a bit, but otherwise not a lot of blitzing or overloading going on. Quite disheartening to see teams abusing us with just straight up defense. I think these DCs can see from film that we can't beat them straight up. I'm pretty discouraged at this point. I try to see the glass half full, but it's just becoming to hard. I think it's bad enough to start experimenting with Richardson - I don't fault others for saying it's not for them. For me, it is bad enough now to try something different.
It was only mop up duty against a terrible team, but I thought SR looked quicker and more decisive than JB or Steele. I do think that if he was better he would play, unless Coach just has that old fear of playing a young guy.
Seems like Steele has lost the team. And I will say again what I have said ever since we went to the "spread" offense. The few times I get to watch, it just looks like every play starts in the same place..8 yards deep, in the middle of the field. And slow developing. There is no misdirection, the defense just focuses on the middle of the line and surrounding the QB/RB as they try to run the zone read. i'm not calling for trick plays, but a lot of teams with worse athletes than us score points with a creative offense that keeps the defense off balance.
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Seems like Steele has lost the team. And I will say again what I have said ever since we went to the "spread" offense. The few times I get to watch, it just looks like every play starts in the same place..8 yards deep, in the middle of the field. And slow developing. There is no misdirection, the defense just focuses on the middle of the line and surrounding the QB/RB as they try to run the zone read. i'm not calling for trick plays, but a lot of teams with worse athletes than us score points with a creative offense that keeps the defense off balance.
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I disagree with this. I dont think people are calling for the backup. I think we all realize that the two guys playing the position now are not good at all. They are not getting the job done. The whole offense is a gigantic failure. Why not try the guys on the bench and see what they can do. It doesnt need to be the whole game. But, just a couple series alone the way.
Yes Barnett is looking bad, but many here are blaming the wrong guy. Our OLine is 90% of the problem. They couldn't block a 15 year old girl. Our running backs get hit as soon as they touch the ball so our run game is not an option. We could put anyone back there and we would still struggle. Our whole offense is lacking but our OLine is the worst I have seen in years. It's just hard to watch.
Just compare running game from last year to this year. Same center. Same qbs. Same backs. Same receivers for downfield blocking. New tackles and guards. Hmmmm.
Thought the same thing. He kept acting like he was the star player that wasn't getting the ball enough... Since when?!
