I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

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Acutally we have been able to run except the 2 games JW was out. We abandon the run for no reason all year. We have no big play ability therefore we need to grind out drives and keep the other teams offense off the field ala K-state. Look at the TOP when we win v when we lose. Look at the rushing/passing yards. 60 yards of total offense in the 2nd half today and it was not from throwing the ball. So what are you watching?
Our inability to lengthen the field is killing our other plays. SJ cannot throw deep very well.
 

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The OL is fine. We continually throw the ball when we are clearly more of a running team. We ran 3 plays in a row on the ground and picked up about 18 yards. Then threw that deep ball for no reason on a 2nd and 4. Where is the logic?

How is the OL fine?

How is it that when the ball was snapped, the DL was in the backfield before the read could be made?

They pulled back with lead, and stopped blitzing. But to say the OL is "fine" is complete ********.
 

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Messingham must go and a new offensive scheme must be put in place. Other offensive position coaches must be evaluated. If changes are not made, Rhoads (though ultimately a better coach) will go the way of Macarney.

I really hope that PR understands this.
The only issue I have with firing him is then we bring i someone new and the players have to learn a whole new system. I'm terrible when it comes to firing coaches but there is something to be said for having consistency. I just don't want to get into a situation where whenever our offense doesn't work we fire the coordinator
 

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Agree the o-line is not fine, when teams have pressured us this year they've been exposed for the most part.
 

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Of course....didn't have playmakers like Ennis Haywood, JJ Moses, and solid offensive line in front of him and a solid defense on the other side....
He got paid for a long time as well in the NFL, and his physical skill set certainly doesn't explain that as much as it would Seneca.
 

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He got paid for a long time as well in the NFL, and his physical skill set certainly doesn't explain that as much as it would Seneca.

Physically, Sage is a lot closer to an average NFL QB than Seneca.
 

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The OL is fine. We continually throw the ball when we are clearly more of a running team. We ran 3 plays in a row on the ground and picked up about 18 yards. Then threw that deep ball for no reason on a 2nd and 4. Where is the logic?
People want to continue to blame the oline. Those that do know little about blocking schemes. The offensive line continues to block great but teams continue to blitz. It's up to the backs to pick up the blitz but our offensive coordinator does not adjust the schemes to account for the blitzes. We either go with no back or a back that runs out of the backfield. If I were KU an WV I would blitz all day.
 

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Today the defenders had their hands up and SJ threw errant passes over the top. It looks like his ball velocity is down from two weeks ago.Sometimes when he rolls out, he is alone and he can set his feet and wing the ball. Instead, he tries toi thriow it on the run always. He needs to slow down and make the good thrws.
 

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Physically, Sage is a lot closer to an average NFL QB than Seneca.
To me I guess it felt like sage did more with less, I may be wrong on that. Seneca while lacking size, had a shotgun arm and of course was extremely elusive.

In the context of having seneca or sage come in to coach qb's, it'd seem like sage would have a leg up. He didn't have a super strong arm, but was accurate, and didn't rely on superb scrambling and arm strength to make plays, he made good decisions and good accurate throws.
 

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Nobody is bringing 8-9 defenders against our QB. We've seen many times this year that our line struggled to stop 3.
I know I exaggerated but on a countless plays Texas brought all 3 linebackers.
 

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So it's up to 5 lineman to block 8-9 defenders?
If they're bringing 8-9, I say toss it to the wr who is not being covered. ;)

Too often they blow assignments when pressure comes, and a guy will come through untouched with a lineman available to have blocked him.
 

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People want to continue to blame the oline. Those that do know little about blocking schemes. The offensive line continues to block great but teams continue to blitz. It's up to the backs to pick up the blitz but our offensive coordinator does not adjust the schemes to account for the blitzes. We either go with no back or a back that runs out of the backfield. If I were KU an WV I would blitz all day.
Agree. We did very little to adjust to Texas bringing extra guys. In fact, we often did exactly the opposite of what it seemed we needed to do. No reason not the blitz the hell out of us every play.
 

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Hard to know if any of our former QB's would be a good fit for coaching at ISU. However, there is little doubt of SW's unreal athletic ability. Sage may have been more of a prototypical NFL QB, but he was never anywhere as physically talented as SW.

My only concern about SW as a coach would be there is no way he could coach his athletic ability. He's obviously deeper than that, and the staff would be the best judge of his coaching ability. I think getting ISU people to be a successful part of ISU's staff would be huge. We are a program due to finances and location that must have people that are tied to the U. There will always be more money and easier places to recruit to for coaches at ISU to move. Having a 'heart tie' to ISU is critical to keeping these guys long term. So I'd be open to ANY former players or even Iowans.
 

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When they bring the house there should obviously be a hot route at least, the guys I see getting beat are our tackles though.