I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

[tee1up]

With the personnel ISU has to work with, changes will do very little unless a Cam Newton type player "miraculously" ends up in Ames......

I've said all along, our offense is so QB-centric. It seems like without a great QB, our offense is stagnant. He carries the ball more than the RB's.

We have virtually no mis-direction plays..everything is out of the shotgun, right in the middle of the field. Watch teams with a more Pro-Style offense. They run out of the I, and can pound it with the tailback, who has a running start by the time he gets the ball. Or they can fake to the tailback and roll the QB the other way to buy some time

In our offense, the O-line needs to hold there blocks for about 3 second while the play develops. It just seems to me that our offense doesn't make any of our players better, and only exposes our weaknesses.

 

[simply1]

Fair enough. I'm just fairly cautious as a person and was more responding to the point that my post was "dumb". I understand what you're saying, it's just I would wait another year before I fire a coach. I don't think one year is enough time.

I do tend to agree with you on that, if you're scrapping the system you guarantee stepping backwards offensively for a couple of years I'd say at least.

 

[CP44]

The problem isn't the scheme, otherwise 90% of teams wouldn't be running the spread. The problem is teams that are successful have a good qb, we on the other hand have no qb. The sad thing is Oklahoma State and others have 2 or 3 qb's that are better than any of ours.

 

[canker2323]

I do tend to agree with you on that, if you're scrapping the system you guarantee stepping backwards offensively for a couple of years I'd say at least.

Step backwards from where? Can't get much worse than scoring 0 points which almost happened today.

 

[cc1091]

I too have a problem with Messingham. I think he may one day be an O.K. OC but I really don't want to invest the time on him. Also I agree about the offensive line being quit sub par this year. Finally, I think all of our QB options are flawed in one way or another.

The long and short of this is; we still need to build up more depth as a Big 12 team.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

The problem isn't the scheme, otherwise 90% of teams wouldn't be running the spread. The problem is teams that are successful have a good qb, we on the other hand have no qb. The sad thing is Oklahoma State and others have 2 or 3 qb's that are better than any of ours.

It would be nice to see our redshirt freshman in live action. College football is stocked full of redshirt freshman making names for themselves.

 

[twojman]

For sure ISU needs a change at the WR coach position, maybe at OC. I do not like how the offense has 'worked' the last few years. (since 2003 actually!)

Another question, how can teams all over the country plug in their second string QB's and see no drop offs? Look at Indiana, Okie St, TCU, Minnesota and Northwestern...are these places QB hot spots? How do all these schools have 2nd and 3rd string QB's that would START at ISU?

 

[docholihawk]

I understand wanting changes made but with coordinators if you have 3 different in 3 years it can have an effect on recruiting. Now that I said that how about someone taking Greg Davis, anyone?

 

[GoHawks]

So It's a deal you guys will take gregg davis then, I'm sending him over.

 

[MIClone]

The logic was there, the throw wasn't. Make them respect the run and then take a shot. Just a completely awful read and throw by Steele.

The logic is only there if you have faith that the QB will execute the play. And if you believe that, you haven't been watching SJ play. Plus we were playing a team that is TERRIBLE against the run and above average against the pass. Run the freaking ball!!!

 

[MIClone]

Juco recruiting time? It would be nice to have a Shipley type as a threat.The last threats we had to me was Colin Franklin and maybe Josh Lenz who could catch the tough throws.

Yes, I see nothing wrong with getting some key Juco players to fill key holes (OL, WR right now)

 

[Cycsk]

Agree. We did very little to adjust to Texas bringing extra guys. In fact, we often did exactly the opposite of what it seemed we needed to do. No reason not the blitz the hell out of us every play.

Rutgers exposed us badly by doing this in the Pinstripe Bowl. Would like to see us have things in the gameplan so we can react when it happens. Somebody has to be open. Dump it to Brun in the middle. When we finally gave it to Woody against Rutgers, we moved the ball and scored.

 

[mustangcy]

Scheme is fine. Teams all over the country are running our scheme and getting great results. Those teams have great qb's and fast/athletic recievers. Us not as much. The end.

 

[MIClone]

We need to go with the quarterback that has beaten 3 top 20 teams (T Tech, Oklahoma St and TCU). Like it or not, those were real wins and the last six quarters have been absolutely horrible at quarterback.

 

[aeroclone]

For sure ISU needs a change at the WR coach position, maybe at OC. I do not like how the offense has 'worked' the last few years. (since 2003 actually!)

Another question, how can teams all over the country plug in their second string QB's and see no drop offs? Look at Indiana, Okie St, TCU, Minnesota and Northwestern...are these places QB hot spots? How do all these schools have 2nd and 3rd string QB's that would START at ISU?

This is spot on. We either need to get the players to run this, or we change the scheme. We should not be going in to year five still shoving a bunch of square pegs into round holes.

 

[awd4cy]

So It's a deal you guys will take gregg davis then, I'm sending him over.

I suppose he is qualified enough to help hold Rhoads' headset during games.

 

[jbhtexas]

This is spot on. We either need to get the players to run this, or we change the scheme. We should not be going in to year five still shoving a bunch of square pegs into round holes.

Yup. Here are ISU's offensive ratings for the CPR era
2009 20.5 ppg, rank 102
2010 22.2 ppg, rank 93
2011 22.7 ppg, rank 90
2012 22.7 ppg, rank 96 (some sites show 22.9 ppg with rank 86 - might not be updated with UT game)

The offense has flatlined.

For reference, here is how the defense has done:
2009 22.2 ppg, rank 32
2010 31.5 ppg, rank 88
2011 30.2 ppg, rank 78
2012 22.6 ppg, rank 35

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

It would all help if we have a quarterback

 

[dirtyninety]

Scheme is fine. Teams all over the country are running our scheme and getting great results. Those teams have great qb's and fast/athletic recievers. Us not as much. The end.

The old "proven scheme" mantra. If all you have to do is run a scheme, then where do I apply for that six figure coaching job....boy I was dumb in my college career choice. Just get me a coaching gig. "Coaching" is adapting a game plan-- or hell, even modifiying your "scheme"-- to match your talent so that you might score a few more points than the other team for 12 Saturdays a year. They work 12 months for 12 Saturdays. Oof. I watched Brian Kelly at Notre Dame last night.....no way in freaking heck was that guy crazy enough to come here when we got Chiz.....he is too smart. He can coach.

 

[ISUCY23]

We need to go with the quarterback that has beaten 3 top 20 teams (T Tech, Oklahoma St and TCU). Like it or not, those were real wins and the last six quarters have been absolutely horrible at quarterback.

I disagree, Jantz was decent against OU. If you wanna see horrible, go watch the two last drives of K-State and the Okie State game.