***Official Prediction Thread: Iowa State @ Kansas***

[Cyclonestate78]

I am getting a little tired of all the whinny ******* in this site. Get over ur crying.....

http://thecompetitioncommittee.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/lebron-cry-baby.jpg#crybaby

So you don't think as the offense sputtered last Saturday that maybe trying someone else at QB would have been a good idea? It was obvious Jantz was totally ineffective so why not try someone else? IMO it didn't make sense to keep sending a guy out there that was not performing.

 

[FootballinTexas]

Do you think the coaches are starting Jantz just to spite you or something? He's the best option available. And other than two plays of the TCU game the offense didn't run even a smidgeon better with Barnett back there. Jantz took a huge step forward against Baylor and hasn't regressed the past two games, we've just played two really good football teams that we couldn't compete with athletically. We knew they were going to blitz a lot and we know that's the way to shut down our QBs, but we didn't adjust our playcalling to make them pay for it. Jantz isn't going to be all conference or anything but there's no way to put all the blame on him.

The QB doesn't call "missed block on two"
The QB doesn't call "dropped pass on one"
The QB doesn't make a check to a hot route that includes "but make sure you don't turn around and see the ball to catch it"
The QB doesn't ask the offensive coordinator to go away from what's working.
The QB doesn't tell our defensive backs to let guys get open.
The QB doesn't tell our defensive line to miss tackles.
The QB didn't cause Knott to get injured.
The QB didn't cause Lenz to get injured.

So, correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying that none of this was going on when JB was out there? Or are you saying that we were playing really good football and JB just screwed us out of games. You also have to remember that Lenz was injured in the KSU game and did not play at OSU. Also, JW was injured and did not play against KSU or OSU. So, two major offensive weapons were missing in JB's last two starts. So, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt but Steele does??? Very interesting.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

Weis and Co. like to switch things up like a box of chocolates. Don't know what you're going to get. Most of the KU fans have already moved on to basketball. Good thing because they won't get to see anything here. I like our chances. ISU wins this one 24 to 13. Could have been more but we took a knee on the last drive.

 

[Judoka]

So, correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying that none of this was going on when JB was out there? Or are you saying that we were playing really good football and JB just screwed us out of games. You also have to remember that Lenz was injured in the KSU game and did not play at OSU. Also, JW was injured and did not play against KSU or OSU. So, two major offensive weapons were missing in JB's last two starts. So, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt but Steele does??? Very interesting.

The list was "QB" not Steele or Jared. I was responding to the idea that 100% of the team's issues are with the QB position and that switching QBs would be a magical cure all. Or that 100% of the praise for a win or the blame for a loss is on the QB and no one else on the team.

Basically anybody who says "I can't wait for this kid to graduate" is a joke. None of our players are intentionally losing games or choosing not to play to the best of their abilities to spite the fans.

 

[dualthreat]

The more I really think about this game...ISU rolls. People should remember who's coaching on each sideline here. People really think CPR won't have the boys fired up for this game? Prepared for a fight in this game? That Wally can't shut down a one deminsional offense?

C'mon...

each time kansas has played someone tough, they got blasted the week after.

they played tech into overtime last week...

 

[VeloClone]

The more I really think about this game...ISU rolls. People should remember who's coaching on each sideline here. People really think CPR won't have the boys fired up for this game? Prepared for a fight in this game? That Wally can't shut down a one deminsional offense?

C'mon...

Yeah, but Charlie has had his team practicing the victory celebration for months...

 

[FootballinTexas]

The list was "QB" not Steele or Jared. I was responding to the idea that 100% of the team's issues are with the QB position and that switching QBs would be a magical cure all. Or that 100% of the praise for a win or the blame for a loss is on the QB and no one else on the team.

Basically anybody who says "I can't wait for this kid to graduate" is a joke. None of our players are intentionally losing games or choosing not to play to the best of their abilities to spite the fans.

My understanding was JB or Steele because they are the only ones who have played "QB" this season. And yes I agree, the problems go far beyond these two guys. But, it seems like JB has taken the bulk of the blame in his losses and the defense gets the credit for his wins. But, SJ get's a lot more excuses for his losses but all of the credit for his wins. Inconsistent everywhere.

 

[FootballinTexas]

I hope we beat KU. IMO, If we don't it will get very interesting around Ames, Iowa. 17-10 ISU.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I hate being so negative but I just can't take it anymore. Thank God Jantz will be gone next season. I don't think I could take another season of him at QB.

Jantz the father of your child?

 

[CycloneWarning]

Quiz time: Which QB would you rather have running the offense?

	QB 1	QB 2
QB Rating	105.7	120.8
Completion Percentage	48.11%	62.26%
Interception Percentage	5.66%	4.28%
Fumble Percentage	3.57%	3.45%
Yards/Catch	5.5	6

Spoiler

QB 1 is Barnett. QB 2 is Jantz

Pretty lame comparison if non-conference games against crap teams are included. Do it again for just Big 12 and I'll bet there is basically no difference between the two.

At this stage, I could care less who plays QB, they have both shown me numerous times that they are one of the weak links of this squad. But against KU, just play smart and score 24+ points against one of the weaker defenses. That should not be too much to ask.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

The list was "QB" not Steele or Jared. I was responding to the idea that 100% of the team's issues are with the QB position and that switching QBs would be a magical cure all. Or that 100% of the praise for a win or the blame for a loss is on the QB and no one else on the team.

Basically anybody who says "I can't wait for this kid to graduate" is a joke. None of our players are intentionally losing games or choosing not to play to the best of their abilities to spite the fans.

You can call me the "Joker" then in your twisted little world. Did I blame Jantz for all of the teams shortcomings? Have I blamed all losses on him? Did I in any way claim that Jantz was intentionally not playing to the best of his ability? No, no, and no again.

Will I be happy when Jantz graduates and moves on? Yes. Sue me. Are all of ISU's offensive problems his fault? No and I never said they were. Do I think his wildly inconsistent play has hurt ISU's offensive capabilities? Absolutely. Do you think defensive coordinators around the Big XII see that wildly inconsistent performance and gameplan to force Jantz to beat them throwing the football? Absolutely they do. Does Jantz's play at QB make it easier for defenses to shut down Iowa State's offense? The answer is yes and his record against Big XII competition as a starter proves it. It is reasons like this that I will be glad to see him go.

 

[CychoCyclone]

You can call me the "Joker" then in your twisted little world. Did I blame Jantz for all of the teams shortcomings? Have I blamed all losses on him? Did I in any way claim that Jantz was intentionally not playing to the best of his ability? No, no, and no again.

Will I be happy when Jantz graduates and moves on? Yes. Sue me. Are all of ISU's offensive problems his fault? No and I never said they were. Do I think his wildly inconsistent play has hurt ISU's offensive capabilities? Absolutely. Do you think defensive coordinators around the Big XII see that wildly inconsistent performance and gameplan to force Jantz to beat them throwing the football? Absolutely they do. Does Jantz's play at QB make it easier for defenses to shut down Iowa State's offense? The answer is yes and his record against Big XII competition as a starter proves it. It is reasons like this that I will be glad to see him go.

Ok joker, if Barnett was a better option he would play... unless your saying rhoads just doesn't like him for some reason... which is stupid, jantz plays because he's the best option we have...

 

[CTTB78]

ISU wins 44-41 (3 OT). You gotta love that score!

 

[FootballinTexas]

Ok joker, if Barnett was a better option he would play... unless your saying rhoads just doesn't like him for some reason... which is stupid, jantz plays because he's the best option we have...

I think the answer that people want to know is "what has Jantz done that makes him the better option". When JB struggles he gets a quick hook, even though he's won more conference games, scored more points on average, and leads the team better. In the other hand, Steele struggles and we just carry on.

 

[Drive4cy]

I almost gave up on Steele after the 9 point outing the offense had against the worst Iowa team in 11 years but I thought maybe it was just a bad game. After the offense mustered 6 points under his watch against Texas Tech at home I nearly gave up again. 73 yards and 4 turnovers from him that night I believe. The final straw for me was the 7 point embarrassment last week in Austin. This is a Texas defense that really hasn't stopped anyone of substance all season and they made ISU's offense look like a high school team. The QB has to be accountable at some point.

Barnett and the offense struggle @ OK State and suddenly JB is done and out of chances. Steele Jantz struggles a lot and keeps getting more chances. I honestly don't understand why. Plus he's a senior and JB is younger so playing him would serve better going forward. Obviously neither one is NFL material and neither one is particularly good but more times than not JB has led the offense better in terms of points and wins more than SJ. You can't ignore that fact. I'm not blame Steele for all the struggles because our receivers are really lacking but come on. There's no excuse to have as many single digit offensive games as ISU has this year.

 

[CychoCyclone]

I think the answer that people want to know is "what has Jantz done that makes him the better option". When JB struggles he gets a quick hook, even though he's won more conference games, scored more points on average, and leads the team better. In the other hand, Steele struggles and we just carry on.

Lets get real here, every mistake jantz makes gets blown up bigtime, personally i thought jantz got a pretty quick hook... jb got the hook vs ok st because it was becoming painfully obvious what he couldn't do, throw completions... I'm not saying jantz is all conference, their both fairly pedestrian when it comes all the way down to it... but jantz at least hits the receivers occasionally... I like Barnett, hes got alotta heart and hes a cyclone but the fact of the matter is that he just doesn't hold the physical tools it takes to be a successful big 12 qb... I'm not trying to be offensive in any way, thats just how it is...

 

[Judoka]

I think the answer that people want to know is "what has Jantz done that makes him the better option". When JB struggles he gets a quick hook, even though he's won more conference games, scored more points on average, and leads the team better. In the other hand, Steele struggles and we just carry on.

Jantz and Barnett both have been pulled for poor performances this season. At this point I think the coaches are sticking with Steele because he at least gives the receivers a chances to make a catch on most of his throws (even though they normally don't).

 

[istater7]

Oh god, another QB debate. I'll throw my 2 cents in though. Remember the 2nd-to-last drive against K-State when Shontrelle was wide open and Barnett didn't get it even close enough for Shontrelle to even TRY to get it? Jantz isn't much better, but Barnett isn't the answer either. Just face the fact that our offense isn't going to produce too much this season and hope that Rohach or Richardson step up next season.

 

[Erik4Cy]

36-41 in 2009
7-45 in 2007
21-24 OT in 2005
7-36 in 2003

We beat KU 49-7 in 2001, that was the last time we won there. I am straight ****** off that its been that long since we won in Lawrence. All the players should see this and be just as mad as well. Everyone in the media and a lot of people on both sides of this fight are putting ISU on upset alert and see this as KU's chance to stop the 19 game big 12 losing streak...

well people mark this down: MAKE IT 20 in a row!!! I don't think this game will even be close. ISU has so much to prove and not as much to lose as everyone thinks. I think we go out and beat them up and down the field.

prediction: Cyclones 38, KU 13

ALL IN!

 

[EYEoftheSTORM]

36-41 in 2009
7-45 in 2007
21-24 OT in 2005
7-36 in 2003

We beat KU 49-7 in 2001, that was the last time we won there. I am straight ****** off that its been that long since we won in Lawrence. All the players should see this and be just as mad as well. Everyone in the media and a lot of people on both sides of this fight are putting ISU on upset alert and see this as KU's chance to stop the 19 game big 12 win streak...

well people mark this down: MAKE IT 20 in a row!!! I don't think this game will even be close. ISU has so much to prove and not as much to lose as everyone thinks. I think we go out and beat them up and down the field.

prediction: Cyclones 38, KU 13

ALL IN!

Thank you sir for your optimism!!! These deadbeats around here are starting to **** me off. ISU is clearly the more talented team on the field this Saturday we just need to go out and prove it. I am confident CPR will have the boys ready to rock in this game and we see a solid performance.