The thing is, the current Big 12 only allows for 4 easy games a year with 8 tough games, only 3 easy games a year if you're Kansas. KSU's non conf has actually been tough lately too from deals made while BS was gone (how they could ever deviate from his formula is beyond me).
I really thought that was a huge part of Snyder/KSU success back in the day but now in the 9 game, 90% good Big 12 and playing Miami non-conf, he's still winning at a top ten ranking rate even being 98 years old. It's truly incredible.
KSU ran the ball all the year -- bread and butter. ISU could not run the ball. To my eye, that's the difference between their season and our season. If we could run the ball like KSU, we likely beat Tech, KSU, WVU, Tulsa again. Maybe OU and OSU too. Snyder makes it a simple game.
Paul Rhoads is a very good coach.
Bill Snyder is the greatest coach in the history of the game.
There you go.
Bill Snyder is the greatest coach in the history of the game.
There you go.
I doubt if he would succeed as much at Alabama because he would have to fit into their mold and do things their way. Snyder fits the K-State culture, largely because he shaped it. In this way, I see great similarity to Coach Rhoads over time.
What Snyder did his first 4 years even looks more impressive. He took over a program in a much much worse situation. They hadn't even won 1 single game in over 2 years when Snyder took over.
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First four years as a head coach, Snyder and Rhoads compared:
Record SOS (Big 8 + four soft non-con games)
Snyder
1-10 -.38
5-6 -.10
7-4 +.73
5-6 -.98
18-26 .409 -.18
Rhoads
7-6 -.73
5-7 4.27
6-7 7.35
6-7 6.19
24-27 .471 4.27
Snyder has had 21 years as a head coach to learn and improve himself in the coaching profession, Rhoads but four years.
Rhoads' first four years at ISU is a superior record to Snyder's first four years at KSU, more wins in a tougher conference (and now round-robin), and a far more difficult non-con schedule. Snyder, though, picked up the reins of a program worse off than ISU's in 2009, one can argue easily.
Give our guy a break. Give him a chance like KSU gave Snyder a chance. Why should we do less than KSU did, for gawd's sake?
(Snyder is a great coach, but it took time for him to get there. Don't we want to give CPR time to do the same for ISU, to see what CPR can do for the Cyclones? It takes time to build a program, block by block, when you're KSU or ISU. In comparison, how can one not prefer CPR's beginning at ISU to Snyder's start at KSU?)
First four years as a head coach, Snyder and Rhoads compared:
Record SOS (Big 8 + four soft non-con games)
Snyder
1-10 -.38
5-6 -.10
7-4 +.73
5-6 -.98
18-26 .409 -.18
Rhoads
7-6 -.73
5-7 4.27
6-7 7.35
6-7 6.19
24-27 .471 4.27
Snyder has had 21 years as a head coach to learn and improve himself in the coaching profession, Rhoads but four years.
Rhoads' first four years at ISU is a superior record to Snyder's first four years at KSU, more wins in a tougher conference (and now round-robin), and a far more difficult non-con schedule. Snyder, though, picked up the reins of a program worse off than ISU's in 2009, one can argue easily.
Give our guy a break. Give him a chance like KSU gave Snyder a chance. Why should we do less than KSU did, for gawd's sake?
(Snyder is a great coach, but it took time for him to get there. Don't we want to give CPR time to do the same for ISU, to see what CPR can do for the Cyclones? It takes time to build a program, block by block, when you're KSU or ISU. In comparison, how can one not prefer CPR's beginning at ISU to Snyder's start at KSU?)
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All of you guys seem to look at Snyder's success among what he has done most recently. No one seems to want to take a look at how he did from 1989-1992, his original first four years at K-State. His record from the beginning of his first stint shows that building takes time. In saying that he took off in year five and won nine games so IMO we should wait until at least next season to compare Snyder and Rhoads too much.
I should have looked at the second page to see this already posted. Good work putting that all together.
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(Double-post, wanted to give table-making a try; I need practice, it looks like.)
First four years as a head coach, Snyder and Rhoads compared:
Snyder (7 conf games in weaker Big 8; 4 non-con softies)
Rhoads (now round robin conf games in Big 12, tough non-con sked)
Snyder has had 21 years as a head coach to learn and improve himself in the coaching profession, Rhoads but four years.
Rhoads' first four years at ISU is a superior record to Snyder's first four years at KSU, more wins in a tougher conference (and now round-robin), and a far more difficult non-con schedule. Snyder, though, picked up the reins of a program worse off than ISU's in 2009, one can argue easily.
Give our guy a break. Give him a chance like KSU gave Snyder a chance. Why should we do less than KSU did, for gawd's sake?
(Snyder is a great coach, but it took time for him to get there. Don't we want to give CPR time to do the same for ISU, to see what CPR can do for the Cyclones? It takes time to build a program, block by block, when you're KSU or ISU. In comparison, how can one not prefer CPR's beginning at ISU to Snyder's start at KSU?)
(Double-post, wanted to give table-making a try; I need practice, it looks like.)
First four years as a head coach, Snyder and Rhoads compared:
Snyder (7 conf games in weaker Big 8; 4 non-con softies)
| W-L | Pct. | SOS |
| 1-10 | -.38 | |
| 5-6 | -.10 | |
| 7-4 | +.73 | |
| 5-6 | -.98 | |
| 18-26 | .409 | -.18 avg |
Rhoads (now round robin conf games in Big 12, tough non-con sked)
| W-L | Pct. | SOS |
| 7-6 | -.73 | |
| 5-7 | 4.27 | |
| 6-7 | 7.35 | |
| 6-7 | 6.19 | |
| 24-27 | .471 | 4.27 avg. |
Snyder has had 21 years as a head coach to learn and improve himself in the coaching profession, Rhoads but four years.
Rhoads' first four years at ISU is a superior record to Snyder's first four years at KSU, more wins in a tougher conference (and now round-robin), and a far more difficult non-con schedule. Snyder, though, picked up the reins of a program worse off than ISU's in 2009, one can argue easily.
Give our guy a break. Give him a chance like KSU gave Snyder a chance. Why should we do less than KSU did, for gawd's sake?
(Snyder is a great coach, but it took time for him to get there. Don't we want to give CPR time to do the same for ISU, to see what CPR can do for the Cyclones? It takes time to build a program, block by block, when you're KSU or ISU. In comparison, how can one not prefer CPR's beginning at ISU to Snyder's start at KSU?)
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I will echo the sentiments of many others. Snyder is perhaps the best coach of all time. Paul Rhoads has done a great job so far and is a good coach. I'm excited to see if he can take ISU to the next level (consistent winning seasons scattered with breakout years). Give him time.
Didn't for the Miami Dolphins
Kind of like Bellichick. Was he a great coach prior to heading a team that happened upon one of the better quarterbacks of our time (eck, excuse me, threw up in my mouth just typing that)?
Sorry - couldn't let the Saban-love go too far. Who couldn't succeed at Alabama? College is a little different - if you have inherent advantages in recruiting, then a good coach can appear 'great'. It takes a little more to accomplish what Snyder has accomplished. Whether dirty/questionable or not, he can flat out coach.
It is interesting (and hopeful for ISU fans) in view of the fact that CPR's winning percentage is better than Snyder's was over their first four years of coaching (47% to 41%).
I'll take this one.
Ray Perkins
Bill Curry
Mike DuBose
Dennis Franchione
Mike Price
Mike Shula
I always thought Bill Curry got a raw deal. That guy could coach, he just couldn't beat Auburn.
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More meaningful comparison- Rhoads has more wins in first four years at ISU than anyone in over 100 years
And Miami and UCLA? Kstate's OOC has been stronger than ours the last 2 years.
Not to mention Snyder didn't see a bowl game until his fifth season (though you could argue the 7-4 record in 1991 should have warranted a bowl bid). Rhoads has taken us to 3 in his first four
