Trust the Rag to go to the mat defending the Hok. By the same token, I don't think the other coaches are "cheats" either and no one would if the Rag hadn't gone on a two-week tantrum about it.
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Trust the Rag to go to the mat defending the Hok. By the same token, I don't think the other coaches are "cheats" either and no one would if the Rag hadn't gone on a two-week tantrum about it.
Haha. Wow. Even as a guy who hates people that have little brother complex and ***** about the Register that is seriously bad. 'He grew up around Iowa Athletics, he can't be a cheat'. Plus saying it isn't his fault because he wasn't coaching here in 2008. Totally glossing over the fact that he was a coach somewhere else and certainly got an identical email from San Diego State. And even if he hadn't would have still been expected to learn the new rules once he got to ISU.
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I about blew a gasket when I read this. Bryce's article this week was basically saying that Iowa State should have to sit down and answer every question he has about this whole thing because there are still lots of questions, major violations, and ****.
And then he has the nerve to say that one of the coaches that did it was cool and it's all an honest mistake.
If it is an honest mistake for Elliott is it an honest mistake for all of them.
**** the Register.
In spite of his unabashed Hokapologist perspective, I like Bryce's point that Bobby did not place any calls on forbidden days. All of these coaches will be appealing to have their charges reduced from major to minor, so we shall see if that is a factor. If Bobby's charges are not reduced, then I think the NCAA is really caught in their own box regarding the Iowa State case. Its a fascinating special case, where the accused has failed only in logging calls that did not result in a conversation with a recruit. If it is not outrageous enough that someone could even conceive of this ridiculous waste of time, let alone duping college presidents into approving the rule, penalizing someone due only to this violation will leave the NCAA wide open to harsh criticism.
Fred Hoiberg should be the poster boy of NCAA compliance, give his role in this. The ultimate irony, though, is they will likely penalize him due to his position with the Cyclone MBB program. Fred is universally beloved at all levels of the media, both local and national. Like any fine coach he may be "hated" in certain fan bases, but I am referring to professional journalists from sideline reporters begging for a halftime quote, to columnists looking for feel good stories, to national call in hosts looking to kill a segment. He gives them his time, he gives them takes they can work with, and above all he treats them with respect.
If the NCAA continues to emulate a crash test dummy driving off a cliff, NCAA Prez Mark Emmert will absolutely be destroyed. In the sports business equivalent, before the real torture of public humiliation even begins, he will be tarred, feathered, keel hauled, and water cured on a daily basis. His name will be synonymous with complete and utter incompetence. I hope for his sake, and the NCAAs, that circumstances can be taken into account. Otherwise, precedents may dictate that their collective unit is stuck in the meat grinder, while they themselves crank the proverbial handle.
I have not lived in IA in years but sounds like the RAG I knew from the old days. The anti ISU and pro Hok bias is NOT imagined. I don't mind agressive reporting - in fact in a democracy it is essential. My problem is the selective approach most "journos" use for their favored people, causes, institutions. Before online news we had no choice but to shut up and take it - now you can seek out balaced coverage and let the RAG continue to wither.
Its unreal how things like rapes, assults, players getting sick, a coach going off on a reporter that happen in Iowa City get a pass by the Rag and media in the state, but a few unlogged phone calls and they want answers.
I just read this myself and came here to see if anyone else had seen it.
My God. I'm just shocked at how nauseating this is. Just awful, irresponsible, thoughtless journalism. I'm jaded enough these days that very little surprises me anymore but this is just so stunningly bad.
For those of you who don't have time to read the entire link, allow me to summarize:
Bobby Elliott can't be a cheat because, well, he's a former Hawk! We all know him and love him! He's old and can't keep up with technology! I mean, he's a Rhodes Scholarship candidate but HE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH TECHNOLOGY! (Hell, who can, am I right?) He can't be a cheat because he's the only one who didn't make calls on the days he wasn't supposed to! And NCAA rules are hard! Oh, and did I mention he's a former Hawk?
I'm Bryce Miller, and Bobby Elliott can't be guilty because, well, I said so.
**** you Bryce Miller you stupid sack of ****, when your do not do anything wrong precious Hoks oh wait they did a lot wrong, with the rape cases DJK, players getting into trouble etc. nothing, but Iowa State makes a few missed logged phone calls and now it is worse and you demand answers? Go straight **** yourself and everyone at that stupid know nothing paper called the RAG. Journalism are you sure you know what that means? Thanks for throwing Iowa State under the bus *******!!
Good job. It would be one thing if he had written for the past 2 weeks that Iowa State's issues, while wrong, didn't seem to be a big deal. But with what he has written and then decided to proclaim that Elliott is 100% innocent? Sickening.
This editorial RAG piece is actually quite reflective of the pro hawkdom bias of the Des Moines media types. Historically, they can spew their crap with impunity . . . just like they did recently for the TV media hawk who let "cy-clowns" slip out during the live feed. From the dirty RAG's wrong titled and mislabeled ISU sports stories to . . . this most recent example (i.e. aggressive investigative sports journalism about ISU failings) any reasonable person sees it for what it is . . . sheer open bias without impunity!
Moreover, then we . . . Cyclone fans have to put up with snooty smug Murph on KXNO calling our message board fans "insecure" for reacting. And then we have to listen to them . . dismiss our concerns with nice little quips like "this is no big deal," "Cyclone fans are just too reactionary."
I can handle the media types because I know who they are . . pro hawkophiles! What I can't stand are the gullible cyclone types who parrot the same crap and believe these media types are "even handed" and "right on the money."
For me, I haven't purchased the dirty RAG for about 10 years now . . . I can't stand media progs pushing their own agenda. Make them pay where it hurts . . don't buy their paper (either in digital format or paper).
Moreover, then we . . . Cyclone fans have to put up with snooty smug Murph on KXNO calling our message board fans "insecure" for reacting. And then we have to listen to them . . dismiss our concerns with nice little quips like "this is no big deal," "Cyclone fans are just too reactionary."
I can handle the media types because I know who they are . . pro hawkophiles! What I can't stand are the gullible cyclone types who parrot the same crap and believe these media types are "even handed" and "right on the money."
For me, I haven't purchased the dirty RAG for about 10 years now . . . I can't stand media progs pushing their own agenda. Make them pay where it hurts . . don't buy their paper (either in digital format or paper).
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Great work by @Bryce_A_Miller on this column about former Iowa State assistant coach Bobby Elliott. #Cyclones http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130413/SPORTS020602/304130073/Bryce-Miller-You-can-bet-your-mortgage-that-Bobby-Elliott-is-not-a-cheat?Frontpage …
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Going to have to disagree with Chris on this one.
Great work by @Bryce_A_Miller on this column about former Iowa State assistant coach Bobby Elliott. #Cyclones http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130413/SPORTS020602/304130073/Bryce-Miller-You-can-bet-your-mortgage-that-Bobby-Elliott-is-not-a-cheat?Frontpage …
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Going to have to disagree with Chris on this one.
Please, Murph and Andy are always pretty fair. The way some fans responded to the "clown" comment was a bit embarrassing. I was really ticked about this article though. If he had maintained this position throughout the past two weeks, this would be fine. But to pull this crap now? That is embarrassing.
Why should this surprise us given the coverage the past couple of weeks? The DMR started out reporting their opinion and rather than correct themselves, just keep reporting more opinion pieces. The Ames Trib pretty much stuck to the facts and expert opinions all along -- it's been a stark contrast in reporting styles and ethics.
There is no factual basis to the statements on Elliott's culpability.
Moreover, by singling out Elliott, the implication is that all the other coaches are cheats.
The problem seems to be a) the Register let almost all its real sportswriters go with their downsizing, so that they have senior guys who are trying to be like sports columnists like Lopresti, and b) their editorial standards have shifted away from factual accounts to stories without full accounting.
Love the rag's "journalism" throughout this whole thing.
Step 1: write an article with misinformation and faux outrage
Step 2: Use an "expert" that doesn't even work for the NCAA to make story
Step 3: Backtrack after getting called out by the University
Rinse and Repeat.
Step 1: write an article with misinformation and faux outrage
Step 2: Use an "expert" that doesn't even work for the NCAA to make story
Step 3: Backtrack after getting called out by the University
Rinse and Repeat.
How is this complicated? Hawk fb is bad. We went to the ncaa the hawks nit.
Even that bastion of class rapist brands is getting beat.
Not a lot to be bragging about. So what can a corrupt paper pr ing for said mediocre athletic department? Smear the other schools in the state.
MULTIPLE RAPE COVER UPS...no biggie. Nearly killing fb players...a national media creation. Drugs all over the programs...let the ad and coaches hire students to administer drug tests, nothing.
A sexual predator in academic advising....so unimportant they hired him back. Low income housing to put $$$ IN PLAYERS POCKETS INCLUDING THE SON OF THE 3 MILLION DOLLAR COACH....barely a mention.
Pathetic pathetic effort. But stupid people believe this ****.
They should be ashamed. But it will get worse. The hawk ad is in such bad shape performance wise, they have to resort to this out of desperation.
Even that bastion of class rapist brands is getting beat.
Not a lot to be bragging about. So what can a corrupt paper pr ing for said mediocre athletic department? Smear the other schools in the state.
MULTIPLE RAPE COVER UPS...no biggie. Nearly killing fb players...a national media creation. Drugs all over the programs...let the ad and coaches hire students to administer drug tests, nothing.
A sexual predator in academic advising....so unimportant they hired him back. Low income housing to put $$$ IN PLAYERS POCKETS INCLUDING THE SON OF THE 3 MILLION DOLLAR COACH....barely a mention.
Pathetic pathetic effort. But stupid people believe this ****.
They should be ashamed. But it will get worse. The hawk ad is in such bad shape performance wise, they have to resort to this out of desperation.
