***OFFICIAL FIRE MESSINGHAM THREAD***

[rhillary]

I still think the D was mostly to blame, but the fact that the O-line couldn't block for longer than 2 seconds is a pretty big issue. I think we can officially say Messingham isn't good at his job.

Oh, and if Richardson runs half as much as he did tonight through the rest of the season, he'll get killed. Literally, TCU or Texas will actually murder him on the field if he takes the 20(?) carries he did tonight. I appreciate his moxie and willingness but holy cow....were are these spectacular RB's we've heard so much about?!?

 

[Daserop]

when an FCS team stuffs you twice inside the 5 yard line. something is wrong.

 

[CycloneErik]

I don't have any trouble with this idea.

 

[Clonefan94]

when an FCS team stuffs you twice inside the 5 yard line. something is wrong.

The saddest part is, is that CPR hasn't figured this out yet.

 

[Aclone]

when an FCS team stuffs you twice inside the 5 yard line. something is wrong.

Yeah--like, your starting center with 27 starts is out of the game?

Edit: Sorry, just not into the whole emotional post-loss scapegoating thing.

 

[jsmith86]

Yeah--like, your starting center with 27 starts is out of the game?

As was pointed out to me in another thread, that shouldn't matter against an FCS team. Unfortunately, due to the way things worked out on the depth chart, it also ended up pulling another lineman away from his spot, having the effect of bringing in two new people to the line.

It shouldn't have mattered, but it did.

 

[boone7247]

Yeah--like, your starting center with 27 starts is out of the game?

Not an excuse. Playing calling and being unimaginative did that, not having our best players. Plus if we need our best 22 to beat UNI, God help us when, Iowa, Texas, or OSU are on the field. Yes I said Iowa, they lost today, but at least their offense showed an ability to get better as the game has gone on.

I don't remember the last time ISU's offense wasn't working and then we figured it out and were better in the 2nd half than the first. We either got or we don't. To me that is all on the coaching staff, if you can't adjust and get your offense in better situations then you aren't doing your job.

Another point to it not being injury related. It was the Tackles getting beat not the interior. that could be line calls and yes losing your center sucks, especially one as good as TF, but **** did the coaching staff ever prepare for losing a key player? God forbid two guys learning to do one job. that wouldn't make any sense at all.

 

[Rural]

Ha, I read the first six pages of this before I noticed it was started in December.

 

[ojoe2317]

Mangino needs to get a call from us about being new OC tomorrow morning. I'm completely serious.

 

[boone7247]

Ha, I read the first six pages of this before I noticed it was started in December.

Crazy to think most of that is still relevant. I think that says something right there.

 

[MLawrence]

As much as I like Rhoads, I have been wondering after the last few seasons of inept offenses if he has too much control over the offensive of game plan which is not his side of the ball. When he first got to ISU he said that he wanted to run a spread offense, and that is why he brought in Tom Herman as the OC. However, the offensive struggled under him and in three years he left for Ohio State. I thought I read on here that the relationship between Herman and Rhoads wasn't on the greatest terms (I could be completely wrong on this speculation). Granted I'm not saying that Rhoads forced Herman out, since Herman went to a more prestigious program but it may have made Herman's decision easier.

After Herman left, Rhoads promoted Messingham and I'm starting to wonder if the main reason is because Messingham might be considered more of a "yes man" to Rhoads where he could continue play a bigger part in the offense. Promoting within isn't a bad idea if the product on the field is delivering but it wasn't like the offense was making huge gains under Herman, and now it's starting to look in retrospective it would have been a better to hire someone from the outside especially someone who can be brass enough in order to hold his own when it comes to forming their own game plan.

 

[boone7247]

Mangino needs to get a call from us about being new OC tomorrow morning. I'm completely serious.

I will ship and order of deep dish pizzas from Chicago tomorrow if you can make it happen. It couldn't be worse than what just happened and what happened in the bowl game.

 

[boone7247]

As much as I like Rhoads, I have been wondering after the last few seasons of inept offenses if he has too much control over the offensive of game plan which is not his side of the ball. When he first got to ISU he said that he wanted to run a spread offense, and that is why he brought in Tom Herman as the OC. However, the offensive struggled under him and in three years he left for Ohio State. I thought I read on here that the relationship between Herman and Rhoads wasn't on the greatest terms (I could be completely wrong on this speculation). Granted I'm not saying that Rhoads forced Herman out, since Herman went to a more prestigious program but it may have made Herman's decision easier.

After Herman left, Rhoads promoted Messingham and I'm starting to wonder if the main reason is because Messingham might be considered more of a "yes man" to Rhoads where he could continue play a bigger part in the offense. Promoting within isn't a bad idea if the product on the field is delivering but it wasn't like the offense was making huge gains under Herman, and now it's starting to look in retrospective it would have been a better to hire someone from the outside especially someone who can be brass enough in order to hold his own when it comes to forming their own game plan.

I suppose this is possible, but was the game plan bad? The first few series of the game weren't bad, but then in the second half they come out run down their through get stuffed inside the 10, then get a turnover, get stuffed inside the 10. I don't see why CPR would be interferring with this play calling. Not to mention the two times we had 2nd and one and ran cute plays that lost us 4+ yards each time.

I get 2nd and 1 is a gimmie down, and a good time to take a shot but sometimes you just have to get the first down. Why do something stupid.

 

[cycloneinpdx]

I hadn't heard that about Herman. I was always disappointed in our offense under him. I guess it would make sense... or at the very least, it could be that he's comfortable with this type of offense and doesn't want to change it. Who knows. But something has to give. We can't have games like this consistently and win--it didn't work well when we had an awesome defense, it certainly won't work when we have a young, inexperienced defense.

As much as I like Rhoads, I have been wondering after the last few seasons of inept offenses if he has too much control over the offensive of game plan which is not his side of the ball. When he first got to ISU he said that he wanted to run a spread offense, and that is why he brought in Tom Herman as the OC. However, the offensive struggled under him and in three years he left for Ohio State. I thought I read on here that the relationship between Herman and Rhoads wasn't on the greatest terms (I could be completely wrong on this speculation). Granted I'm not saying that Rhoads forced Herman out, since Herman went to a more prestigious program but it may have made Herman's decision easier.

After Herman left, Rhoads promoted Messingham and I'm starting to wonder if the main reason is because Messingham might be considered more of a "yes man" to Rhoads where he could continue play a bigger part in the offense. Promoting within isn't a bad idea if the product on the field is delivering but it wasn't like the offense was making huge gains under Herman, and now it's starting to look in retrospective it would have been a better to hire someone from the outside especially someone who can be brass enough in order to hold his own when it comes to forming their own game plan.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Messingham went to the Greg Davis School for Coaching Offense ******-Like

 

[Wesley]

i will give them a little slack this game they have some legit excuses for not being good. offense doesn't.

No one should get slack for a 20 point effort against UNI.
Eight teams including Iowa scored more than 20 last yea against UNIr. Six of the teams were FCS. This was a road game for them, or maybe we should play on the road more since we cannot win at home.

 

[FootballinTexas]

I will say the pistol has been okay tonight. But why the OC continues to move away from what works and take so long to run plays is beyond me. Half the reason the spread works is because of the quick hit nature of it. We take to long to run plays both pre and post snap.

I'm sure that I have a few posts on this board from last season that talks about the same thing. I will never forget CPR saying in a press conference after the OSU game last year, "If you continue to run the same thing, the defense will figure you out and stop it." My response is simple. When they stop it, I'll run something different! Stay with what works!

 

[MLawrence]

I hadn't heard that about Herman.

I will admit I could be way off base, but I thought I read that on here. Granted CF may not be greatest source. :twitcy:

 

[boone7247]

No one should get slack for a 20 point effort against UNI.
Eight teams including Iowa scored more than 20 last yea against UNIr. Six of the teams were FCS. This was a road game for them, or maybe we should play on the road more since we cannot win at home.

I think he was giving slack to the D. The D was bad those first three drives, no doubt about it, but they got better as the game went on, until late in the 4th.

 

[cyatheart]

This guy has gotta go. 6 points against UNI in the 2nd half.

He has Richarson running 20 times a game, when we have all these running backs.

Guy just refuses to commit to the run

Refuses to use the tight ends

Cannot adjust to save his life

he is going to cost PR his job and cost us Lazard

Destroyed Jantz and Jared Barnett

I do not understand what this guys is trying to accomplish out there.