Bubu kicked off team??!!

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CyScoop

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If trolling is supporting a university who disciplined an athlete who raped someone then Ill get to work finding a bridge to move my 4,2000 square foot house right away.
 
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MartyFine

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Some of the comments here are beyond disgusting. The man sexually assaulted an incapacitated female. The school didn't fail Bubu, he failed the university by acting like a two bit thug rapist. It was an embarrassment that he was able to return to the university on scholarship period.

Is there any fact that you can point to from any source that would support this assertion? I'm not seeing one.
 

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If trolling is supporting a university who disciplined an athlete who raped someone then zillowbig get to work finding a bridge to move my 4,2000 square foot house right away.
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Is there any fact that you can point to from any source that would support this assertion? I'm not seeing one.

I wonder how many times this phrase was said at Penn State?

I know this is not the same by any stretch, but I do wonder how much what happened at Penn St. has changed the world. Instead of needing proof now, maybe all they need is a hunch, and with that hunch, it's better to cut your losses now than be dealing with a string of accusations later down the line.
 

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If trolling is supporting a university who disciplined an athlete who raped someone then Ill get to work finding a bridge to move my 4,2000 square foot house right away.

Confirmed ******. You should add your salary for further confirmation.
 

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Well, I don't work at the university, but I would expect pretty much anyone in the AD or administrative offices. How is it not supporting the athletic department to protect it from further liability?

Why would they leave the university open to further liability?
 

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Bubu put himself in this position. Hopefully he uses this hard lesson to change things in his life, because we are just talking about basketball, there are going to be a lot more important things in his life and he will need to make better judgement calls.

That's my line of thinking as well.
 

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Why would they leave the university open to further liability?

I don't think Bubu is going to kill the season...but he is a loss.

I am NOT a fan of his behavior...criminal or not. However I don't think this was a good choice by the U.

1. It brings it all back to the forefront...not good PR.
2. It makes us appear stupid as we are now back tracking a prior decision.
3. We are hurting the BB team...
4. It might open us up to litigation from BuBu as well. The timing of this has greatly harmed his ability to play his SR year. Who knows if this was his year to blow up?
 

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I don't think Bubu is going to kill the season...but he is a loss.

I am NOT a fan of his behavior...criminal or not. However I don't think this was a good choice by the U.

1. It brings it all back to the forefront...not good PR.
2. It makes us appear stupid as we are now back tracking a prior decision.
3. We are hurting the BB team...
4. It might open us up to litigation from BuBu as well. The timing of this has greatly harmed his ability to play his SR year. Who knows if this was his year to blow up?

I don't think the people who made this decision give a crap that this hurt the basketball team and they really shouldn't care either.
 

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Why would they leave the university open to further liability?

If he made a poor decision with a drunk female while on the road, that would be a pretty huge national black eye for ISU.
 

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It's also kind of scary to think that anyone with a grudge against a student athlete can run to the University, accuse him or her of violating student conduct code, and effectively get that person kicked off a team.

Is there a discovery process here? What evidence is the University privy to that the courts were not? Is the accused allowed to defend him/herself against the allegations through an interview/affidavit etc.?

It looks to me here that someone high up in the ISU administration doesn't like Bubu, didn't believe his version of events, and didn't really care what the court found. I have a problem with this.
There is a complaint/investigation/hearing/appeal process. Both sides have access to the information/evidence. Bubu would have had legal representation throughout the process, in all likelihood.

The "crime" is defined differently under the Iowa criminal code and the ISU student conduct code. Likewise, the burden of proof is different. As someone posted earlier, the analogy to civil/criminal standards is a good one -- OJ is acquitted of criminal charges, but assessed liability under a lower standard of proof in the civil case.

Also, student-athletes at many schools sign a special code of conduct pledge that is unique to the athletic department. It could be that while he was allowed to stay in school under the general student code, he violated the athletic department rules and was dismissed from the team on that basis.

Finally, the US Dept. of Education has been all over colleges and universities for their responses to student complaints of sexual assaut/sexual misconduct. VP Biden gave a speech on this subject a couple years ago and the DOE responded with a "Dear Colleague Letter" (April 4, 2011) that has sent schools scurrying to revise their policies and procedures. The DOE and Univ. of Montana also just entered into a well-publicized settlement agreement relating to sexual misconduct (their case also involved athletes). The terms of that agreement have put schools on notice that they risk Title IX violations if they do not get in line. It is a hot-button issue and some would say that both the government and the schools have over-reacted.
 
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