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I think Wally needs to get his act together. He has had 5 years of recruiting as well. I think the Defense needs to answer just like Messingham. It seems like everyone just gives him a pass.
 
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It annoys me more than anything when someone brings up Wally's D as the problem. The reason our D struggles is because our Offense is on the field for short stints of time and then our D has to run right back out there. The biggest point is that Baylor won the time of possession for the first time all year against us. Usually they lose the time of possession by 2/3rds to the opposing team. Our offense did not help out our defense. With that fast pace of offense our defense needed some rest.

Now George is on Wally. He tends to drop his head constant and miss a lot of tackles. He has been a non-factor, imo, a lot this year. I honestly thought he would step up and have a chance at the NFL, but I don't see it at all now.
 

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The entire coaching staff needs to step up. The thing is, Im confident most can and will improve their squads.
 

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They defense has been beyond disappointing the last 2 games. There needs to be as much blame going to the defense as the offense the last couple games.
 

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Well, they could do something to help themselves get off the field and get a stop or something.
 

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It annoys me more than anything when someone brings up Wally's D as the problem. The reason our D struggles is because our Offense is on the field for short stints of time and then our D has to run right back out there. The biggest point is that Baylor won the time of possession for the first time all year against us. Usually they lose the time of possession by 2/3rds to the opposing team. Our offense did not help out our defense. With that fast pace of offense our defense needed some rest.

Now George is on Wally. He tends to drop his head constant and miss a lot of tackles. He has been a non-factor, imo, a lot this year. I honestly thought he would step up and have a chance at the NFL, but I don't see it at all now.

You understand that TOP has been ~29-31 the last 2 game? In both games, the defense has given up big plays early when they should be "rested". This is a team problem (minus special teams). The offense cant pick up a 1st down, and the defense cant stop a 3rd down. In past years you were able to put some blame on the offense for gassing the defense late in games, but the last two games have been a team wide problem.
 
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How about this. We shore up our woes, which there are a lot of them, on offense and then see how our defense is. I think all that are on the opposite side of the fence will be across it rather quickly.
 

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I think Wally needs to get his act together. He has had 5 years of recruiting as well. How many td's has richardson had thrown his way and gets burnt. George is a non factor along with knott. I think the Defense needs to answer just like Messingham. It seems like everyone just gives him a pass.

The D needs to be better, but it's not near the problem the offense is at this point. In fact, of the games we've won with Rhoads only one or two were won in spite of our defense rather than because of our defense. Also I don't care for your opinion because you just called a guy who had 18 tackles yesterday and who leads the conference in tackles a non-factor.
 

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I'll say this. We will not find a better game day coach, who can get more with less talent than he. I personally love him as our DC. However, we need more "closers" in the recruiting area. We've had a lot of commits not pan out on both sides of the ball. If we keep Pavlenko, get Marry, and backfilled behind Knott and AJ better than we did with just George, we'd have a lot less guys playing out of position. Heck, I think Willie Scott might be a better OLB than DE with his size, but who else do we have to play DE? We also had big misses with in state kids that I am not sure should have been given a scholarship to begin with. So I would give Wally an A-/B+ for his coaching on the field, but a C- for recruiting talent.

As far as last night, Wally should be given somewhat of a pass. However, our DB's are driving me NUTS by not turning their heads when the ball is in the air and not having a chance to knock the ball down or get an INT. Never saw that when Elliot was our coach!

But to give a Fast Break offense in basketball, as an anology, the ball by turning it over (by all the 3 and outs and actual turnovers) at some point, the mental will of the defensive players is going to break because they don't have faith that the offense can control drives and keep them off the field. We saw them break last night. Surprised it hasn't happend sooner this year, to be honest. That is NOT on Wally. That is on Mess.
 
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The offense struggles to get a first down. Look at their first 5 drives. Hold them to a punt, give up a TD, give up a TD on a short field (thanks offense), and give up 2 FGs. Sure it's not good, but it's hard to ask for much more when you're playing one of the best offenses in the NCAA.

Then look at our first 5 drives. We had one drive with a first down. I can see how that can start to get demoralizing for the defense.
 

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The D needs to be better, but it's not near the problem the offense is at this point. In fact, of the games we've won with Rhoads only one or two were won in spite of our defense rather than because of our defense. Also I don't care for your opinion because you just called a guy who had 18 tackles yesterday and who leads the conference in tackles a non-factor.
You tend to get a lot of tackles when your on the field a lot.
 

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The offense struggles to get a first down. Look at their first 5 drives. Hold them to a punt, give up a TD, give up a TD on a short field (thanks offense), and give up 2 FGs. Sure it's not good, but it's hard to ask for much more when you're playing one of the best offenses in the NCAA.

Then look at our first 5 drives. We had one drive with a first down. I can see how that can start to get demoralizing for the defense.
You can start with not giving up 741 yards and 71 points.
 

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The offense struggles to get a first down. Look at their first 5 drives. Hold them to a punt, give up a TD, give up a TD on a short field (thanks offense), and give up 2 FGs. Sure it's not good, but it's hard to ask for much more when you're playing one of the best offenses in the NCAA.

Then look at our first 5 drives. We had one drive with a first down. I can see how that can start to get demoralizing for the defense.

After the first drive, our defense couldn't stop ****. If they get demoralized that fast, thats on Wally.
 

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The reason our D struggles is because our Offense is on the field for short stints of time and then our D has to run right back out there. The biggest point is that Baylor won the time of possession for the first time all year against us. Usually they lose the time of possession by 2/3rds to the opposing team. Our offense did not help out our defense. With that fast pace of offense our defense needed some rest.

Now George is on Wally. He tends to drop his head constant and miss a lot of tackles. He has been a non-factor, imo, a lot this year. I honestly thought he would step up and have a chance at the NFL, but I don't see it at all now.

There is some truth to this. Wally should take a little heat but the defense wouldn't be half as bad if the OC wasn't inept. How many 3 and outs does Messingham have? I bet he is approaching a NCAA record.
 

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You understand that TOP has been ~29-31 the last 2 game? In both games, the defense has given up big plays early when they should be "rested". This is a team problem (minus special teams). The offense cant pick up a third down, and the defense cant stop a 3rd down. In past years you were able to put some blame on the offense for gassing the defense late in games, but the last two games have been a team wide problem.

You must have read what I wrote wrong. So far this year the teams that have played Baylor have won the time of possession by roughly 2/3rds, according to the announcers last night. We lost the TOP to Baylor
 

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Wally's defense has performed well above expectations over his tenure, I'm not ready to jump ship on him because of what has happened this season, especially after this game with Baylor. Wally is not a problem, he's an asset.
 

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