IOWA vs IOWA STATE

[deanvogs]

You never said better, you've just been trying to equate the home court advantages. Which to anyone who knows or follows college basketball is ridiculous.

You must be losing it because the second part is 100% strawman. Who said that Hilton is the only tough place to play in bball? Good job though, you convinced me that playing on the road is tough in CBB, I bow to your insightful analysis.

18-2, with close losses to Indiana (69-65) and Michigan St. (62-59)

But if you want to think that Hilton is the only tough place to play at, knock yourself out.

JFC, did they teach reading comprehension at ISU? I didn't equate them either. I simply stated that Hilton isn't the only tough place to play. College basketball is littered with tough places to play, and it is beyond delusional that some ISU fans think that Hilton is the only tough venue to play it.

 

[ISUCY23]

If we are taking off a terrible year for Iowa, let's do it for ISU too. 37-3 after year one, that makes .93 winning percentage, quite a bit better than .79

Don't do that, it ruins the point he is trying to make.

 

[ISUCY23]

Since we scored Niang who has panned out significantly better it would probably have been waste of a scholarship. He doesn't fit our system at all and doesn't even fit how Fran has said he wants them to play.

What's Woodybury going to do for ISU? Guard guys like KU's Whithey last year? Niang scored all day when the put Jeff Whithey on him. I think Basabe or Olesani for four years would have been more valuable in Hoiball even if Woodbury somehow ends up all conference caliber by his senior year.

You misunderstand me. I don't want him on our team, I want to know what he did that was so offensive on his visit to ISU.

 

[HFCS]

Don't do that, it ruins the point he is trying to make.

We're almost 100% at home over the last three seasons if you don't count games the national media ran stories about being thrown.

 

[fsanford]

Lets clarify here a bit. We are talking a #1 and #2 seed (not all ranked teams are equal). I'm sorry, but Michigan isn't a #1 or #2 seed this year. Most of the #1 or #2 seeds that come into Hilton walk away with a win as well (Kansas).

Well, I guess the reason they are 1 & 2 seeds is because they have done very well on the road. So your logic makes sense. Those types of teams win in the toughest of arena's.

But since this is Iowa vs Iowa State thread, sans Kansas, ISU pretty much takes down all comers to Hilton. Don't think Iowa is a 1 or 2 seed. this year so that should bode well for the Clones. Plus this would be Iowa's first true road game of the year, they are a veteran team so maybe not a huge thing, but could be a factor.

As another poster mentions Iowa will finally play a team with arm's and legs in about a week or so.
Xavier will be a good test. If they manage to get to the final's against Kansas, will see how this more seasoned Iowa team performs in what will probably be a #1 seed. Its on a neutral court, but I suspect it will have a heavy Kansas flavor in terms of fans. So maybe it will be like a road game for any team that play the Jayhawks.

If Iowa and Kansas play its equivalent of Hamas vs Hezbollah for most ISU fans. :biggrin:

 

[HFCS]

You misunderstand me. I don't want him on our team, I want to know what he did that was so offensive on his visit to ISU.

Yeah, I know. I'm not sure about those stories either.

Either way I'm glad we didn't sign the kid. You think people are mad about Percy? What if he was a recruit we scored over UNC. Woody is significantly worse on offense than Percy Gibson. Dodged a bullet that he wasn't taking up a space on a Hoiball roster if we were ever serious about trying to sign him.

 

[carvers4math]

If we are taking off a terrible year for Iowa, let's do it for ISU too. 37-3 after year one, that makes .93 winning percentage, quite a bit better than .79

Actually, given how many players fled during McDoormat nightmare and what The Mayor was left with, that first season may have been one of the biggest miracles he has pulled off yet

 

[Bigman38]

JFC, did they teach reading comprehension at ISU? I didn't equate them either. I simply stated that Hilton isn't the only tough place to play. College basketball is littered with tough places to play, and it is beyond delusional that some ISU fans think that Hilton is the only tough venue to play it.

Show me anyone who has said that, you are arguing against a strawman you've created. You're kicking it's *** though so kudos.

So you weren't trying to equate them you just created and posted incredibly narrow criteria that portrayed them as equal twice. Are you sure it's my reading comprehension that's the problem?

Carver's home court advantage isn't even close to Hilton's. Maybe someday little brother, but someday isn't today.

 

[HFCS]

Actually, given how many players fled during McDoormat nightmare and what The Mayor was left with, that first season may have been one of the biggest miracles he has pulled off yet

They'll point that one of the just three players Hoiberg started with is on an NBA roster now...but ignore that his statistical production basically DOUBLED the one year he was coached by Hoiberg. Diante Garret probably benefitted from the gift of Hoiball more than anybody, he almost missed it.

 

[deanvogs]

Show me anyone who has said that, you are arguing against a strawman you've created. You're kicking it's *** though so kudos.

So you weren't trying to equate them you just created and posted incredibly narrow criteria that portrayed them as equal twice. Are you sure it's my reading comprehension that's the problem?

Carver's home court advantage isn't even close to Hilton's. Maybe someday little brother, but someday isn't today.

I simply said what I said, and you took a perfectly obvious statement and turned it into the Strawman you are currently trying to perpetuate. I'm not sure why, as CyTwins made THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT AFTER ME, and you aren't attacking him, and creating strawmen from his statement.

 

[CyTwins]

I simply said what I said, and you took a perfectly obvious statement and turned it into the Strawman you are currently trying to perpetuate. I'm not sure why, as CyTwins made THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT AFTER ME, and you aren't attacking him, and creating strawmen from his statement.

Did I say something agreeing with you? If I did, I apologize for my mistake

 

[deanvogs]

Did I say something agreeing with you? If I did, I apologize for my mistake

You said that Hilton isn't the only tough place to play, and that BYU was tough to play at.

I'm not sure what crawled up his ***, but he is sure bothered that I think there are many tough places to play in college basketball. Never once did I say Carver was tougher than any other venue

 

[Bigman38]

I simply said what I said, and you took a perfectly obvious statement and turned it into the Strawman you are currently trying to perpetuate. I'm not sure why, as CyTwins made THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT AFTER ME, and you aren't attacking him, and creating strawmen from his statement.

This isn't hard, CyTwins didn't try to portray them as equal as you did in two different posts. If you're intent wasn't to portray them as equal you could just say that Carver is far behind Hilton as home court advantages go. You would think RoseBowl admitting it, and providing stats would open your eyes.

 

[Bigman38]

You said that Hilton isn't the only tough place to play, and that BYU was tough to play at.

I'm not sure what crawled up his ***, but he is sure bothered that I think there are many tough places to play in college basketball. Never once did I say Carver was tougher than any other venue

2 strawmen in one post, can't wait to see you defeat them with your wit.

 

[CoKane]

Someone at HN posted this today. Delusional.

"What really sticks out to me in this battle of coaches is that you have Fran on one side doing things the right way, and then you have Fred on the other side doing everything the completely wrong way. The contrast is stark."

Lol. What? I don't think that Fred is paying or abusing players, so I doubt he is doing it the wrong way. I can't believe the amount of people that hate Fred found a new way to build a program faster then their coaches could, so they automatically say we don't do things the right way.

 

[deanvogs]

This isn't hard, CyTwins didn't try to portray them as equal as you did in two different posts. If you're intent wasn't to portray them as equal you could just say that Carver is far behind Hilton as home court advantages go. You would think RoseBowl admitting it, and providing stats would open your eyes.

JFC dude. Quit putting up strawmen. I said there were other tough venues, then I cited Iowa's record at Carver. Did I say it was tougher? No I didn't. I could have cited tons of other venues, and as a matter of fact I will. This is a national perspective of tough venues around the country, they are not limited to these, but these are regarded as the toughest.

Nation's best homecourt advantages - college basketball - ESPN
http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...osphere-arenas-in-college-basketball/1958499/

 

[CoKane]

HAHAHA.....Clic is a total ISU troll on the HN board. He is trolling the HN board with that post.

I'm not sure where ISU got it stuck in their craw that ISU was "doing it the wrong way", but boy it certainly strikes a nerve with ISU fan.

Maybe because the people who say it are wrong?

 

[CoKane]

I don't know why people are so worried about Iowa's height. Fred plays small ball against bigger teams most games. I'd love to see Woodbury try to guard Niang on the perimeter but I'm assuming he'll be on the bench most of the game

I'm not concerned about height at all either. Isiah Austin is tall, Jeff Whitney is tall, Mitch McGary is tall. None of the 3 completely overwhelmed us in the last 2 seasons.

 

[Bigman38]

JFC dude. Quit putting up strawmen. I said there were other tough venues, then I cited Iowa's record at Carver. Did I say it was tougher? No I didn't. I could have cited tons of other venues, and as a matter of fact I will. This is a national perspective of tough venues around the country, they are not limited to these, but these are regarded as the toughest.

Nation's best homecourt advantages - college basketball - ESPN
Ranking the top game atmosphere arenas in college basketball

If you weren't trying to equate them then why do you have such a hard time admitting Hilton is a much better home court advantage?

Who do you think you need to convince that there are other tough places to play in CBB? You keep repeating it so you must be talking to someone specifically.

 

[HFCS]

I'm not concerned about height at all either. Isiah Austin is tall, Jeff Whitney is tall, Mitch McGary is tall. None of the 3 completely overwhelmed us in the last 2 seasons.

With the exception of McGary I'd say we actually dominated those players at times. We absolutely embarrassed Notre Dame's big guys inside, mismatch of epic proportions in ISU's favor that the 'experts' were completely wrong about.