IOWA vs IOWA STATE

[Gitwitit]

Agreed. Think about how this game could be affected if Marble picks up two quick ones to start the game or gets his 3rd and 4th early in the second half. What other defender on Iowa's roster can legitimately keep up with Kane?

Marble was nonexistent against ISU last year on the offensive end. 2-10, 0-4 from three in 37 mins. He is a solid defensive player and if he were to get in foul trouble would be missed. They've won games without him in the past though.

Iowa will play quite a bit of zone I think.

 

[Gitwitit]

White standing around at the free throw line isn't going to do him much good while Ejim is dunking the ball.

:spinny:

Like last year?

 

[CYUL8R]

Marble was nonexistent against ISU last year on the offensive end. 2-10, 0-4 from three in 37 mins. He is a solid defensive player and if he were to get in foul trouble would be missed. They've won games without him in the past though.

Iowa will play quite a bit of zone I think.

Great. Bring it. Over/Under on how long they stay zone when they are down big after 4 trifecta's in a row?

 

[VeloClone]

Iowa has good length to play the zone but they will get picked apart if ISU is hitting anywhere near their average at the 3 point line. Go 2-3 and ISU will move the ball around and find open jumpers at either elbow as well as ISU getting a lot of offensive rebounds. Go 1-3-1 and ISU (especially Long) will kill them with the baseline jumper.

Iowa can probably get away with it more than most against ISU due their length, but I still think some of their bigs aren't quick enough for them to not get burned by it against ISU.

 

[VeloClone]

Like last year?

Dude it was a joke. I thought the spinny made that pretty obvious. Chill out.

I don't think you can ever take anything for granted in a rivalry game, but if you keep thinking that this game is going to be anything like last year, you are going to be sorely disappointed. Ejim got embarrassed last year. Don't think that he won't be ready to play this year. Not to mention that he is an even better player than he was 12 months ago and he has even better post help than he had last year.

 

[carvers4math]

I know Iowa is the same team, but who do we even have that played many minutes last year? I don't think Ejim and Niang played 40 minutes combined, did they? Kane, Hogue, Thomas, Morris, Edozie not even around.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Agreed. Think about how this game could be affected if Marble picks up two quick ones to start the game or gets his 3rd and 4th early in the second half. What other defender on Iowa's roster can legitimately keep up with Kane?

What other Iowa player could pick up the slack on the offensive end if Marble was forced to sit? I watched their game against Notre Dame and when the Irish made a run to take the lead Marble scored the next 13 consecutive points for Iowa. Iowa goes as Marble goes. Contain Marble defensively or get him in foul trouble and that would be a big problem for Iowa.

Also... if you look at Marble's stats this season, in the 3 games where Iowa played a team with a pulse (Xavier, Villanova, and Notre Dame) Marble dominated the Iowa offense. He took 23 of Iowa's 68 shots against Xavier, he took 23 of Iowa's 69 shots against Villanova, and he took 14 of Iowa's 58 shots against Notre Dame.

Stop Marble... and you stop Iowa.

 

[VeloClone]

Marble was nonexistent against ISU last year on the offensive end. 2-10, 0-4 from three in 37 mins. He is a solid defensive player and if he were to get in foul trouble would be missed. They've won games without him in the past though.

Iowa will play quite a bit of zone I think.

What other Iowa player could pick up the slack on the offensive end if Marble was forced to sit? I watched their game against Notre Dame and when the Irish made a run to take the lead Marble scored the next 13 consecutive points for Iowa. Iowa goes as Marble goes. Contain Marble defensively or get him in foul trouble and that would be a big problem for Iowa.

Also... if you look at Marble's stats this season, in the 3 games where Iowa played a team with a pulse (Xavier, Villanova, and Notre Dame) Marble dominated the Iowa offense. He took 23 of Iowa's 68 shots against Xavier, he took 23 of Iowa's 69 shots against Villanova, and he took 14 of Iowa's 58 shots against Notre Dame.

Stop Marble... and you stop Iowa.

Paging Mr. Babb. Mr. Babb please. Paging Mr. Babb.

 

[krustysponge]

This. It is as if some people forget that the Mayor is one of the best coaches in the country when it comes to adjusting personnel and creating mismatches. He doesn't just create mismatches though... he exploits the hell out of them. Keep in mind he will be facing off against a coach that in their last game had a player play extremely well in the 1st half against Notre Dame and he didn't play him at all in the 2nd half. His reasoning... "I forgot to put him in the game."

In a battle of strategy and coaching the Mayor has a HUGE advantage.

Well said.

People who really believe that the hoks are going to come to Hilton and win really don't understand what Freddie is about. Last years game was the worst game they played all year. Too think this will happen at Hilton? come on people. Have you seen Iowa play? Have you seen Iowa State play? Even if it is close with two minutes to play which team would you pick to come out on top? I don't know what is more annoying. Hok fan who says iowa will win big at Hilton(which doesn't happen under Fred), or IA St fans being all nervous ninny about iowa. Iowa is not Kansas. They neither have the history, talent, or the coaching of Kansas. Would all you nervous ninny's be going on about how nervous you are to play Kansas. No, you want to play Kansas cause you know this year we are gonna smoke 'em. This clones team is better than last years. No need to be nervous. If you want to see how the game will go, watch the NIT game between Iowa and Baylor. This is the most athletic clone team I have seen in years. I have been watching clones for 35 years. They don't match Fizer/Tinsley, but these guys are fast, quick, can shoot, and play with attitude. Do you really think Iowa, which hasn't won a NCAA game in who knows how long, is more to be concerned about then Baylor? Kansas? Oklahoma St? Come on people. Get excited!!! I am absolutely giddy about what the clones are gonna do the hoks. I just wish Dr. Tom was their coach still. His teams would've been fun to go up against with this clones teams. I really miss Dr. Tom, class act. He doesn't act like the Bo Pelini of Big Ten basketball.

 

[carvers4math]

Paging Mr. Babb. Mr. Babb please. Paging Mr. Babb.

Yep, he had a good offensive line in that game too. Really the only starter who did much.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

How did Ejim's athleticism do for him against White last year? White is one of the best in the country at getting to the free throw line and he used that against Ejim last year.

Is this last year?

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Paging Mr. Babb. Mr. Babb please. Paging Mr. Babb.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Hoiberg drop a little box & 1 D on Hyphen Marble in this game. Mess with his mind a little bit. Hyphen Marble isn't exactly the most efficient player when it comes to big games. Look at the box scores for ISU this year in the 2 big games with Michigan and BYU for example...

vs. Michigan
Niang 4/8 for 10 points. 50% shooting
Hogue 5/12 for 12 points 42% shooting
Long 5/7 for 16 points 72% shooting
Kane 5/10 for 13 points 50% shooting
Ejim 8/14 for 22 points 58% shooting

vs. BYU
Ejim 8/15 for 21 points 54% shooting
Niang 9/19 for 19 points 48% shooting
Hogue 4/6 for 8 points 66% shooting
Kane 9/15 for 21 points 60% shooting
Thomas 5/8 for 12 points 63% shooting

The balance and efficiency that ISU has shown on the offensive end against quality competition is outstanding. They don't depend on 1 guy like Iowa does. They have an entire team full of dependable guys.

 

[krustysponge]

Anyone else think Iowa is just a stepping stone for Fran? I mean he is decent coach for sure. I just have a feeling that if he has a couple "successful" years at Iowa he is going to jump ship for a better program. Like maybe a New Mexico or something...

The program looking at him is still waiting to see if he is an upgrade to what they already have. They would rather have Fred of course, but he ain't leaving for this place.

 

[Max57]

I hope you're right. We'll see in a week. I happen to think we're slightly better, plus Hilton is a big help as well. My point is that these two teams aren't worlds apart. Last year Iowa won by 9, but I happen to think that if we would have played 10 times at a neutral court, we would have won 6-7 of them, and they still beat us by 9.

Last game post-game, Fred something like: "Wow we only lost by 9?!" "As bad as we played it felt like 25."

 

[Cincyclone]

It's clear a lot of our fans have a huge blind spot when it comes to Iowa. They are much more talented than people are giving them credit for here. I think ISU wins because it's at home, but I don't see this as being a game in which we dominate like some here do.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Now look at Iowa's balance and efficiency against their 3 "big" opponents

vs. Xavier
Marble 10/23 for 30 points 44% shooting
Gesell 3/11 for 7 points 28% shooting
McCabe 4/9 for 11 points 45% shooting
White 3/7 for 10 points 43% shooting
Olaseni 1/5 for 10 points 20% shooting

vs. Villanova
Marble 8/23 for 24 points 35% shooting
Gesell 4/7 for 10 points 58% shooting
McCabe 5/11 for 14 points 46% shooting
White 2/4 for 9 points 50% shooting
Woodbury 3/3 for 7 points 100% shooting

vs. Notre Dame
Marble 7/14 for 17 points 50% shooting
White 7/9 for 20 points 78% shooting
Uthoff 4/6 for 17 points 66% shooting
Gesell 3/6 for 10 points 50% shooting
McCabe 3/5 for 10 points 60% shooting

In 1 out of 3 games Iowa was pretty balanced and efficient on the offensive end. In the other 2 games they were not particularly efficient and the weren't particularly balanced either.

 

[krustysponge]

Have you seen the two teams play??? Clones have the edge in shooting, athleticism, they will have more rebounds in the game, home court advantage, and Fred is better coach then Bo Pelini.

 

[johnnydugouts]

This. It is as if some people forget that the Mayor is one of the best coaches in the country when it comes to adjusting personnel and creating mismatches. He doesn't just create mismatches though... he exploits the hell out of them. Keep in mind he will be facing off against a coach that in their last game had a player play extremely well in the 1st half against Notre Dame and he didn't play him at all in the 2nd half. His reasoning... "I forgot to put him in the game."

In a battle of strategy and coaching the Mayor has a HUGE advantage.

comments like this make me laugh, as if there is any possible way to quantify it.

 

[Cincyclone]

Have you seen the two teams play??? Clones have the edge in shooting, athleticism, they will have more rebounds in the game, home court advantage, and Fred is better coach then Bo Pelini.

I'm assuming this is in response to me? I've watched every ISU game and about half of Iowa's. I'm not sure any of those are a foregone conclusion minus Fred being the better coach and home court advantage. Shooting and rebounding have a tendency to fluctuate immensely depending on the game, and Iowa is not nearly as unathletic as many here assume. I still give ISU the edge in that regard, but most here just say "OMGGG they're white and goofy looking so they're obviously unathletic!"

 

[krustysponge]

I would agree on some. But the clones really are heads and above more athletic. I didn't say iowa's goofy looking players were unathletic, but they aren't in the same arena as the clones.