Don't bother 85...he likes McDermott but yet downgrades the guy ALL THE TIME...all the time. And puts McDermott down while being impressed with Martin...who couldn't win with the players KSU has? He's only 8-5 in conference, and has some very non-flattering non-conference losses. And although he "likes McDermott", evidently what Greg has done at his previous stops does nothing for his track record, and apparently gives no indication he'll get it done here...also, winning with Jiri, Rahshon, Marsden, and Gray is easier than winning with a lottery pick and the Bernard King supposively. What a joke...I have no problem with people not being willing to just let the last two years slide, or people that have doubts...what I do have a problem with is these people using teams with McDonald's All-Americans and unbelievable tradition as a comparison for why our coach is not getting it done...please, tell us where Greg should have us RIGHT NOW, since apparently you have a loser's attitude if you think we'll have to be patient until at least next year before we see where we're actually going.
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Yeah, I agree that better guard play is needed. Absolutely. Problem is, how or why some of our guards left the program doesn't matter....its McD's responsibility to handle recruiting players that will stay in the program.
Yup, I'm not saying the sky is falling or anything.....I just don't want to see this same excuse over and over again in the future.
The problem on this site is if you try to be rational or realistic, you get labeled as having a loser's mentality...this coming from a guy who asks if we can expect the same success here that Coach K has had had Duke since his first three seasons...Evidently McDermott didn't step into a tough position, and hasn't caught worse breaks than anyone else...we should be at least a NCAA tourney contender by now, and in the top half of the big 12 evidently...16 months off of the scholarship players on our roster being Clark, Hubalek, Gray, and Marsden.
Here are the positives, as I see them, with McDermott and the staff:
1. Off-the-court issues are few and when they happen are handled firmly and decisively.
2. Team always gives a great effort.
3. Great team chemistry.
4. Players represent ISU well on and off the court.
5. Academic issues are kept under control.
6. Good development of players.
7. I would say that we have met expectations for success, given the players that we have attracted and retained.
1. Off-the-court issues are few and when they happen are handled firmly and decisively.
2. Team always gives a great effort.
3. Great team chemistry.
4. Players represent ISU well on and off the court.
5. Academic issues are kept under control.
6. Good development of players.
7. I would say that we have met expectations for success, given the players that we have attracted and retained.
That's where I am at. Four...maybe five years is a fair amount of time and should definitively answer any questions. With that being said this program is starving for a significant win.
ISU had pretty decent results in the three years prior to McDermott...all three winning seasons with a second round NCAA and a NIT national semi-final. At least they look pretty good to me in comparison to what I see now.
Results are what counts. In basketball there is the W/L record and it tells us who can "walk the walk". I don't know if Martin is a good coach or not...but he is probably taking a team to the NCAA Tourney in his first year as a HC in major college BB. Just because a guy has talented players...that doesn't necessarily make him a lesser coach. The definition of good coach does not equal a guy that is able to "coach up" lesser talent. That certainly is a good trait...but to have the kind of success I want us to have...we need to be able to recruit top players.
Gillispie's problem at UK was not one of system...rather one of players not thinking a change needed to be made (they had success...NCAA tourney every year)...so they rebelled at his authority in the beginning but as their 9-3 conference record indicates, he has gotten control of the team. By the way, I'll bet you won't be saying the SEC is "weak" after the tournament this year.
I wish we were "only 8-5" in conference play!
McDermott's previous stops were at lower levels (yes...UNI is a mid-major program and the others were even lower levels). While these past records appear quite commendable, they do absolutely nothing for us at ISU playing against Big 12 competition. Gerry Faust was a heck of a HS coach but that sure didn't get it done for him at Notre Dame...did it?
Actually, you do have a problem with people that are not willing to "let the last two years slide" or people that express doubts about the direction of our program and the capabilities of our coach.
I find it rather funny that some people will always bring up wait till next year, others will say give it 4-5-6 years and others are complaining about what is happening NOW. I guess I tend to be what is happening now. This is basketball and not football, one or two recruits can turn a team completely around. One McD all-american and we see what that produced. I look at the recruits that McD is bringing in next year all 2 to 3 star recruits. Bringing in a center with 2 years of basketball experience???? How many of those top recruits did we get last 4 or 5 has went someplace else, surprise surprise. We couldn't even land a 4 star recruit (guard) from Iowa. How many recruit names have been bounced around and how many have come here. How many of those MN players have we gotten? The only thing I have seen is small college walk on's. A lot of people cussed Morgan and I agree he wasn't much of a coach, but he surely could recruit. I think he got canned in three years and if I remember correctly he went to 2 -3 tournments and can't remember if he had any lossing seasons. One thing about watch his teams, they were exciting to watch. Eleven points in a half is not exactly exciting basketball, especially at our 100th year of basketball blowout. Can we say sad, very sad way to celebrate. Probably the last time most of those old players will ever come back. Then if we keep farting around we will probably loss the Barnes kid from Ames too.
Ha! Gillispie is such a good coach that he couldn't control his players for half the season? Come on man! The SEC is down this year. They have one great team and a couple good teams. 2 teams total in the top 25.
"Just because a guy has talented players does not mean he is lesser of a coach? " Of course it doesn't. I don't really know what you are trying to say here. A guy that has the talent that Martin has on his team should strive for more than just the NCAA tourney. He has gotten out coached in every game this year but one.
I am getting tired of ready your posts that bash McDermott with little knowledge to back up your claim. McDermott did a fantastic job coaching the team to as many wins as they had last year and he may have less talent this year. Give him time and his program will work. He has proven it.
Case in point to you being an idiot. You are comparing McDermott's success at a D-1 school to a high school basketball coach! The Mo Valley was stacked when McDermott was there and he still got UNI to the tourney 3 straight years
This board makes me sick sometimes. cyclone#1, I'm not sure how you can even consider yourself a fan. You have admitted that you don't get to see many of the games yet we are to respect your opinion. How does that work? I just don't see how a fan could possibly downgrade the program they cheer for at every possible turn.
They are all 3 stars according to rivals (as if it matters)
Read the latest updates on Hamilton and then let's here what you have to say
11 points did suck but we did score 49 in the second half to WIN the game. You left that part out. I don't know why it is sad to celebrate 100 years of basketball with a WIN. I guess when it is time to celebrate 125 years of bball we should throw the game :biglaugh:
Yeah it was really sad to see us have a great comeback in front of a near-capacity crowd. I sure was depressed coming out of Hilton that day.:no:
C'mon guy....I never said Martin is a great coach. I just don't agree with anybody saying Greg is a better coach than Martin when his team handed it to us. I think alot of people will sometimes downgrade our opponents to make themselves feel better about our losses, and you know what, when I see an opponent playing well I will give them there due. Thats all.
I also like discussing our own performance on here, and I think its ok to question the way that we play without condemning the guys for there efforts or talents.
What does make a guy lesser of a coach is having serious NBA talent on a team and not staying in the top 25.
