Fred's bench use.
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so in a game that was drag race to 90 people think Fred should have taken out his two posts who were scoring 50% of ISU's points?
This point exactly! Edozie and Gibson should average 2-3 fouls EVERY GAME! Put them in, and let them get physical. Imagine if Fred would have used them early to foul Ellis. Ellis would have never found his groove. And I'm sure if Embid was to get fouled a bunch, it would affect him also, just doesn't have the strength to get beat up during the game. Interestingly enough, Fred said the exact same things after other games. "Should have put them in more in the 2nd half", is becoming his go to quote.
I didn't mean to be harsh. But can anyone really believe that if we had people capable of doing what Fred wants sitting on the bench they wouldn't be playing. If the bench players were ready they would be playing.
However, if you look at every one of our teams since Fred got here we have never been very deep. Playing 8 is probably the deepest we have went as far as getting significant minutes.
That's a good way of putting it. Hell, these 4 losses have been painful for me, but man we need some perspective.
I've seen more than one post talking about how the game against Oklahoma is key to the NCAA. Now, losing at home to Oklahoma wouldn't be a good thing and it would be the first truly bad loss of the year. BUT....it wouldn't be the end of the line when it comes to the NCAA.
Wisconsin and Ohio State have similar records to us with the big exception that they have lost to a lot worse teams. And very few Iowa State fans would call a similar game a must win for them.
CycloneErik
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Yeah, I heard the same thing but nothing has changed. Not questioning Fred, just wondering why.
I think we need to remember last year when we lost to Cinci, UNLV, Iowa, and Texas Tech.
But I won't lie and say that I haven't started to think about the minimum number of wins we need to still make the tournament. That's just good, common sense concern! So what number do we think that is? Do any 6 wins get us there? Or do we need any 7 wins? Or more? Or less?
consider me shocked as can be that neither of them has played at all... Edozie has played so little, but has looked decent. I have no idea why they wouldnt have come in to try to be effective on D....
CycloneErik
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As it stands right now, we're 6-4 against the RPI Top 50, if I have that right.
Win out at home and we've got 21 wins, with a few more Top 50 wins along the way (4, off the top of my head).
That would be 10 wins against the top 50. I think that would get it done.
I still think we get a couple more on the road yet. Overall, I still think we land around 24-25 wins. No bubble trouble here.
KU played 9 players last night, one of them had 2 mins another with 6. Niang, Ejim, Houge, Kane and Morris played a combined 167 mins. KU starters played a combined 166 mins. Its not too much to ask a college basketball player to play 25-30 mins a game like guys on our bench do. Just because you play more players doesn't mean it will make your team better. Thomas outscored KUs bench last night.
Exactly, we should have put in Edozie and Gibson and hacked Embiid and Ellis and sent them to line to send the message. Who cares that they combined to go 9-10 at the line
Fred doesn't need to bench press. He looks at his reflection in the mirror and that act alone excites his muscles to grow.
Defend the home court, and there are wins at TCU, WVU, and Baylor to be had as well. 24-6 seems about right
Fred has set up a genius system if you ask me. He understands that the college BB game as a whole has ineffective Big man/inside game play. Most teams like Iowa are gonna march out a Woody/Gabe at the C position, and a Basabe at the PF spot. Now we all know I'm a Hok fan, but those guys aren't going to strike fear in the hearts of other teams. They are effective, but not great players. Fred sees that as a spot he can take advantage of on the offensive end, and not really get hurt by them on the defensive side of the coin. Advantage Fred here, as he spreads the court.
The problem he is going to have is with the Kansas' of the world who do have GREAT inside play. In the end though, you face them guys twice, and maybe see one other dominate inside team all year. Fred is playing the percentages, and just has to try to deal with the statistical outliers a few times a year (teams with great inside play). The only other problem is occasionally Fred's system is going to allow a Spangler to play like an Embid. Once again this isn't going to happen often, just deal with it when it occurs.
The problem he is going to have is with the Kansas' of the world who do have GREAT inside play. In the end though, you face them guys twice, and maybe see one other dominate inside team all year. Fred is playing the percentages, and just has to try to deal with the statistical outliers a few times a year (teams with great inside play). The only other problem is occasionally Fred's system is going to allow a Spangler to play like an Embid. Once again this isn't going to happen often, just deal with it when it occurs.
