Media Butthurt over CPR and Lazard

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I'll respond to you guys because I enjoy the discussion. Hope I'm not coming across as a troll. The boards are for discussion. I know you all realize I'm a Hawk fan, and my take on situations is clearly biased because of that but I mean no disrespect. I'm just sharing my opinion. If that makes you think I'm a troll then so be it.

^^^^^best demonstration of butthurt yet^^^^

Rhoda's said what he said. BFD. Deal with it. Crying and ******** about it says more about the complainer than anything.
 

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Rhoads made it about the media and about ND and Iowa when he went out of his way to rub it in their faces. I thought his comments made him look incredibly small-time and end up only putting more pressure on Lazard. As I have already said in the other thread, if you've got a problem with Bobby Elliott or Ferentz or some busy-body reporter, deal with them directly.

I'll be honest with you, I hadn't watched (only read) his comments until just now. After reading many of the comments from people about how Rhoads embarrassed himself and the program I was expecting to see him taking off his shoe and banging it on the podium a la Kruschev. There was none of that. Again, everyone is making it about everyone but Lazard. Read what he actually said. He talked about Lazard sticking to his committment despite other pressures. It is about Lazard and his character. You can read into it all you want, but that is what it is about. If the media, Notre Dame or Iowa want to be offended by that they can, but I heard a coach talking about his top recruit and the content of his character in the face of 14 months of unrelenting pressure.
 

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I'll respond to you guys because I enjoy the discussion. Hope I'm not coming across as a troll. The boards are for discussion. I know you all realize I'm a Hawk fan, and my take on situations is clearly biased because of that but I mean no disrespect. I'm just sharing my opinion. If that makes you think I'm a troll then so be it.

However, after his visit to ND it would have been as easy as saying something like this: "I enjoyed my visit to ND. I appreciate their interest in me as well as all of the other schools who have expressed interest. However, I remain 100% committed to Iowa State and will not waver on that commitment." It's as simple as that. People would have backed off. Maybe it's ridiculous to have to go to those lengths, but that's the media world we live in today.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Lazard did say that before and AFTER his visit to Notre Dame. The local media still didn't back off. Example "Oh he said 97 to 100 percent, not 100 percent, so that means there is a chance he could de-commit."

As for the Pierschbacher comparison, I saw one article written by Pat Hardy of the I.C. Press-Citizen where Hardy ask Pierschbacher about his commitment to Iowa following Pierschbacher's visit to Alabama. ONE. In that article, Pierschbacher said he was still committed to Iowa. There were no other articles anywhere about him until he announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa.

Had Pierschbacher kept quiet and not announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa until signing day, I seriously doubt the media would have hounded him like they did Lazard. Example, "So you are going to still go to Iowa instead of to a National Championship program?" Are you sure you want to still go to Iowa even after Alabama won the National Title?" "Alabama is No. 1 in the country right now and undefeated and Iowa just got beat by Northern Ill., and yet you are saying you still want to go to Iowa?" The way the media framed the questions to Lazard is the issue -- the condescending way they asked those questions if you will.

Pierscbacher said he was staying with Iowa and the local media believed him and stopped asking questions. Lazard said he was sticking with Iowa State and the media kept asking.
 

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Ok this is getting out of hand. He made some stupid comments but people need to move on. People complaint about people complaining about a guy complaining.
The main problem for Rhoads is results on the field.
 

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However, after his visit to ND it would have been as easy as saying something like this: "I enjoyed my visit to ND. I appreciate their interest in me as well as all of the other schools who have expressed interest. However, I remain 100% committed to Iowa State and will not waver on that commitment." It's as simple as that. People would have backed off. Maybe it's ridiculous to have to go to those lengths, but that's the media world we live in today.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Lazard did say that before and AFTER his visit to Notre Dame. The local media still didn't back off. Example "Oh he said 97 to 100 percent, not 100 percent, so that means there is a chance he could de-commit."

As for the Pierschbacher comparison, I saw one article written by Pat Hardy of the I.C. Press-Citizen where Hardy ask Pierschbacher about his commitment to Iowa following Pierschbacher's visit to Alabama. ONE. In that article, Pierschbacher said he was still committed to Iowa. There were no other articles anywhere about him until he announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa.

Had Pierschbacher kept quiet and not announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa until signing day, I seriously doubt the media would have hounded him like they did Lazard. Example, "So you are going to still go to Iowa instead of to a National Championship program?" Are you sure you want to still go to Iowa even after Alabama won the National Title?" "Alabama is No. 1 in the country right now and undefeated and Iowa just got beat by Northern Ill., and yet you are saying you still want to go to Iowa?" The way the media framed the questions to Lazard is the issue -- the condescending way they asked those questions if you will.

Pierscbacher said he was staying with Iowa and the local media believed him and stopped asking questions. Lazard said he was sticking with Iowa State and the media kept asking.

RP was also a lot more quiet with his recruitment than Lazard. If Lazard had a problem with people asking him questions then stop doing interviews and stop getting on twitter and social media.
 

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I'll be honest with you, I hadn't watched (only read) his comments until just now. After reading many of the comments from people about how Rhoads embarrassed himself and the program I was expecting to see him taking off his shoe and banging it on the podium a la Kruschev. There was none of that. Again, everyone is making it about everyone but Lazard. Read what he actually said. He talked about Lazard sticking to his committment despite other pressures. It is about Lazard and his character. You can read into it all you want, but that is what it is about. If the media, Notre Dame or Iowa want to be offended by that they can, but I heard a coach talking about his top recruit and the content of his character in the face of 14 months of unrelenting pressure.

Then why not just say it general terms? He could have talked about how he continued to be courted and stuck true to his word. (which I'm glad he did. Great get for you guys) That would have expressed the same thing. He acted incredulous that Iowa and ND continued to recruit him but I'll admit I'm looking at it from an Iowa POV.
 

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A big problem with society today is that much of the media chooses to create the story rather than report the story.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Lazard did say that before and AFTER his visit to Notre Dame. The local media still didn't back off. Example "Oh he said 97 to 100 percent, not 100 percent, so that means there is a chance he could de-commit."

As for the Pierschbacher comparison, I saw one article written by Pat Hardy of the I.C. Press-Citizen where Hardy ask Pierschbacher about his commitment to Iowa following Pierschbacher's visit to Alabama. ONE. In that article, Pierschbacher said he was still committed to Iowa. There were no other articles anywhere about him until he announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa.

Had Pierschbacher kept quiet and not announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa until signing day, I seriously doubt the media would have hounded him like they did Lazard. Example, "So you are going to still go to Iowa instead of to a National Championship program?" Are you sure you want to still go to Iowa even after Alabama won the National Title?" "Alabama is No. 1 in the country right now and undefeated and Iowa just got beat by Northern Ill., and yet you are saying you still want to go to Iowa?" The way the media framed the questions to Lazard is the issue -- the condescending way they asked those questions if you will.

Pierscbacher said he was staying with Iowa and the local media believed him and stopped asking questions. Lazard said he was sticking with Iowa State and the media kept asking.

Checkmate for the local media to stfu on this issue.

It's been a Hawk media for decades. That era is finally dying. From here on out when they are Hawk media they will be kicked to the curb as they deserve to be for not doing their job.
 

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Then why not just say it general terms? He could have talked about how he continued to be courted and stuck true to his word. (which I'm glad he did. Great get for you guys) That would have expressed the same thing. He acted incredulous that Iowa and ND continued to recruit him but I'll admit I'm looking at it from an Iowa POV.


Incredulous? I don't see that at all.
 

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Pretty sure Paul brought Iowa into the discussion by being an immature loudmouth. Nanny nanny boo boo I got Allen and you didn't! Please the guy acts like the signing of Lazard means a B12 Championship is right around the corner.

He had no right to sling mud at Iowa or ND. That's what brought me here. I wanted to gauge the reaction of the ISU fanbase. I was pleasantly surprised to see quite a few Cyclone fans who actually felt the same way I did. That it was completely unnecessary for him to stoop that low.

Why not throw mud at ND? They came in hired coaches off his staff, and keep going after a guy that was committed to ISU.

As for Iowa, they must have spent a lot of time working on AL. This is the same staff that gets upset when Wisc and other schools keep going after their commits.
 

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However, after his visit to ND it would have been as easy as saying something like this: "I enjoyed my visit to ND. I appreciate their interest in me as well as all of the other schools who have expressed interest. However, I remain 100% committed to Iowa State and will not waver on that commitment." It's as simple as that. People would have backed off. Maybe it's ridiculous to have to go to those lengths, but that's the media world we live in today.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Lazard did say that before and AFTER his visit to Notre Dame. The local media still didn't back off. Example "Oh he said 97 to 100 percent, not 100 percent, so that means there is a chance he could de-commit."

As for the Pierschbacher comparison, I saw one article written by Pat Hardy of the I.C. Press-Citizen where Hardy ask Pierschbacher about his commitment to Iowa following Pierschbacher's visit to Alabama. ONE. In that article, Pierschbacher said he was still committed to Iowa. There were no other articles anywhere about him until he announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa.

Had Pierschbacher kept quiet and not announced he was going to Alabama instead of Iowa until signing day, I seriously doubt the media would have hounded him like they did Lazard. Example, "So you are going to still go to Iowa instead of to a National Championship program?" Are you sure you want to still go to Iowa even after Alabama won the National Title?" "Alabama is No. 1 in the country right now and undefeated and Iowa just got beat by Northern Ill., and yet you are saying you still want to go to Iowa?" The way the media framed the questions to Lazard is the issue -- the condescending way they asked those questions if you will.

Pierscbacher said he was staying with Iowa and the local media believed him and stopped asking questions. Lazard said he was sticking with Iowa State and the media kept asking.



I'm not sure how you want me to respond. I told how I feel about it. I don't follow Lazard on twitter. I have no idea what he actually said or didn't say. All I know is that people were speculating up until his official commitment. With as much as Lazard tweeted it wouldn't have been difficult for him to completely end the speculation in my opinion.

The situations between Lazard and RP are different. There's the obvious factor that ISU just went 3-9 and has never been a good football program. Of course people are going to wonder why one of the best wide receivers in the country would want to go there. Specially when you consider some of the elite programs that were after him. With Ross his destination, Iowa or Alabama, made more sense I guess you could say. Either way he was going somewhere that could very well end up with him landing in the NFL. I guess I'm just saying Lazard going to Iowa State probably left a lot of people dumbfounded. Legacy or not.
 

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RP was also a lot more quiet with his recruitment than Lazard. If Lazard had a problem with people asking him questions then stop doing interviews and stop getting on twitter and social media.

Hmm, Lazard kept saying in on twitter and social media that he is committed to Iowa State numerous times -- to many times to count. Yet for some reason, the media kept asking if he was still committed to Iowa State. Why was that? I will tell you. There is no story if Lazard stays committed, but there is a story if he flops.

Pierschbacher said he was still committed once, kept quiet after that and then burned the media. I seriously think had he waited to make his decision on signing day, no other reporter would have kept asking him about his commitment to Iowa. We'll never know for sure.
 

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Why not throw mud at ND? They came in hired coaches off his staff, and keep going after a guy that was committed to ISU.

As for Iowa, they must have spent a lot of time working on AL. This is the same staff that gets upset when Wisc and other schools keep going after their commits.

First of all, everyone recruits until NSD verbal commitment or not. I'm sure every single program gets frustrated that it is a relentless battle. However, please show me when or where Ferentz or any member have his staff took an opportunity to publicly rub a recruit's commitment in another schools face. You won't find it because it hasn't happened. He has more class than that.
 

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I'm not sure how you want me to respond. I told how I feel about it. I don't follow Lazard on twitter. I have no idea what he actually said or didn't say. All I know is that people were speculating up until his official commitment. With as much as Lazard tweeted it wouldn't have been difficult for him to completely end the speculation in my opinion.

The situations between Lazard and RP are different. There's the obvious factor that ISU just went 3-9 and has never been a good football program. Of course people are going to wonder why one of the best wide receivers in the country would want to go there. Specially when you consider some of the elite programs that were after him. With Ross his destination, Iowa or Alabama, made more sense I guess you could say. Either way he was going somewhere that could very well end up with him landing in the NFL. I guess I'm just saying Lazard going to Iowa State probably left a lot of people dumbfounded. Legacy or not.

And Iowa went 4-8 the year Pierschbacher committed to the Hawks. Iowa had a bad year, and actually Rhoads had about the same winning percentage as Ferentz over the previous four seasons.

That last sentence of yours is truly indicative of why Rhoads may have let off a little steam. He spent months listening and hearing the same thing from the local media. Do you even realize that that is a slam to Rhoads and Iowa State what you just stated?
 

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First of all, everyone recruits until NSD verbal commitment or not. I'm sure every single program gets frustrated that it is a relentless battle. However, please show me when or where Ferentz or any member have his staff took an opportunity to publicly rub a recruit's commitment in another schools face. You won't find it because it hasn't happened. He has more class than that.


Isnt KF the one that went after a reporter after a press conference? He has also shut members of the media out. He has flat out lied to the media. Don't go and tell me the guy has class.
 

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Why not throw mud at ND? They came in hired coaches off his staff, and keep going after a guy that was committed to ISU.

As for Iowa, they must have spent a lot of time working on AL. This is the same staff that gets upset when Wisc and other schools keep going after their commits.

The coaches or the fans? And of course Iowa went after AL. They'd be dumb not to. Its how recruiting works. As far as if they were negatively recruiting we don't know. Its possible. But we don't know.