Kansas up 1 at haltime at Texas Tech

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As I said previously they need to be consistent not necessarily right. I feel like you post just show how much superior you think you are and don't really take in what is being said.

I take in what is said. I just disagree. This has nothing to do with superiority and everything to do with the fact that I do not think there is some crazy conspiracy by the refs to give Kansas anything. I don't see any ISU fans harping on the refs for the 45-19 free throw discrepancy when Kansas played @Texas...

The refs suck. Sometimes it helps you, sometimes it hurts you. As a general rule, it will tend to help the more aggressive team. No one in the conference got away with more no calls than Mizzou when Mike Anderson ran that swarming defense. There was typically multiple fouls committed on every defensive possession that went uncalled. When players are moving full speed, refs have a hard time watching everything and so they typically err on the side of not making any call if they aren't 100% sure what they just saw was a foul.

If Hoiberg installs a more aggressive defensive scheme to compliment his excellent, high speed offense then ISU will become the benefactor. Having athletes moving faster than the refs can move their head is usually beneficial. The cal;ls that Kansas "gets" are usually because of this.
 

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That last jump ball was just awful....KU wins because theyre usually really good but they win even more when they happen to get those calls constantly though. Down 1 with seconds to go and get that jump ball? when it clearly wasnt ....

It was clear to you, but you were not viewing it from the same angle as the refs. There are some foul calls made that people in the stands and on tv think are terrible calls until they see the replay and think "huh, I didn't see that." There aren't 20 refs out there. If you want everything called as close to accurate as possible then you need a ref stationed every five feet around the entire court.
 

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Has any KU fan ever tried to explain this? Or do they just turn a shoulder and act like this didn't happen? I''m guessing the latter. I still don't understand how the hell that was allowed to stand. Just plain awful.

The only thing that needs explaining is what is wrong with ISU fans that things from games TEN YEARS AGO are still stuck in your heads. That game is from the '03-'04 season and you are still hung up about it? You need to see a therapist.

It's easy to understand when you realize that the refs suck at their job sometimes. Just as it is easy for me to realize why a foul was allowed to be assessed on a guy standing 30 feet from the play without anyone fixing it. I just don't keep some crazy mental logbook of all the wrongs that went against us from the refs. They happen outside of what is controllable by the coaches and players. The ones that haunt me are the dumb plays/games by players that cost Kansas games.

It''s called holding the team responsible for their results instead of the refs. Sure there were calls that could have helped Kansas against Michigan in the tourney last year but the plays that haunt me are the bad plays made by the players that cost them the game. But I guess that doesn't fit into this whole victim mentality going on over here.
 

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Wait what game are you talking about?

I never said anything about the game this year. I didn't see a game changing call down the stretch.

I really dont don't understand your post. Like, at all.

The point being, worry about what the players do on the floor. If they do their job then there is no game changing call that can be made that can hurt you.
 

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The point being, worry about what the players do on the floor. If they do their job then there is no game changing call that can be made that can hurt you.
So why did the conference apologize to ISU and reprimand the officials if no game changing call can hurt you? Shouldn't your above post have been what the conference issued if that was the case? Or do they need therapy too?
 

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Forget it. Red Raider fans will soon know what Cyclone fans already know, Jaytards are too busy fan girling over their team that they don't even realize how much refs will bend over to keep KU pretty. I don't know if the refs consciously give KU the calls but it is really getting old how many calls KU gets down in crunch time in a close game.

If you want to claim that Kansas gets more calls because they play high speed offense and aggressive defense, I would 100% agree with you. I think all teams that play in this manner "get away with" more fouls or get more calls because the refs can't keep up. I think all teams that play in this same style get the same "benefits". It's not unique to Kansas. How many ridiculous fouls are called for Marcus Smart and Deandre Kane as they charge full speed down the lane, ramming into defenders and getting the calls? Lots.
 

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The only thing that needs explaining is what is wrong with ISU fans that things from games TEN YEARS AGO are still stuck in your heads. That game is from the '03-'04 season and you are still hung up about it? You need to see a therapist.

It's easy to understand when you realize that the refs suck at their job sometimes. Just as it is easy for me to realize why a foul was allowed to be assessed on a guy standing 30 feet from the play without anyone fixing it. I just don't keep some crazy mental logbook of all the wrongs that went against us from the refs. They happen outside of what is controllable by the coaches and players. The ones that haunt me are the dumb plays/games by players that cost Kansas games.

It''s called holding the team responsible for their results instead of the refs. Sure there were calls that could have helped Kansas against Michigan in the tourney last year but the plays that haunt me are the bad plays made by the players that cost them the game. But I guess that doesn't fit into this whole victim mentality going on over here.
Hell yeah I'm going to bring this up when supporting the claim KU always gets BS calls. How do you start play in between a 2 free throw shot foul? Once again supporting my claim, KU fans turn the cold shoulder and act like it never even happened. Maybe if you guys weren't so pampered by the refs, you'd be more prepared for the tournament and not have an early exit like you guys always do.
 

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If you want to claim that Kansas gets more calls because they play high speed offense and aggressive defense, I would 100% agree with you. I think all teams that play in this manner "get away with" more fouls or get more calls because the refs can't keep up. I think all teams that play in this same style get the same "benefits". It's not unique to Kansas. How many ridiculous fouls are called for Marcus Smart and Deandre Kane as they charge full speed down the lane, ramming into defenders and getting the calls? Lots.

Kane tries to get those calls, but more often that not he doesn't. Better teams typically get more foul calls. Right or wrong. Better athletes usually get the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Has any KU fan ever tried to explain this? Or do they just turn a shoulder and act like this didn't happen? I''m guessing the latter. I still don't understand how the hell that was allowed to stand. Just plain awful.

I would like to hear the refs explain it.
 

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The only thing that needs explaining is what is wrong with ISU fans that things from games TEN YEARS AGO are still stuck in your heads. That game is from the '03-'04 season and you are still hung up about it? You need to see a therapist.

So you don't like video proof of the refs helping KU. What about last year when the conference said the call was wrong at then end of the KU-ISU game?
 

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The point being, worry about what the players do on the floor. If they do their job then there is no game changing call that can be made that can hurt you.

Easy to say when you never have to worry about a critical call going against you.
 

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If you want to claim that Kansas gets more calls because they play high speed offense and aggressive defense, I would 100% agree with you. I think all teams that play in this manner "get away with" more fouls or get more calls because the refs can't keep up. I think all teams that play in this same style get the same "benefits". It's not unique to Kansas. How many ridiculous fouls are called for Marcus Smart and Deandre Kane as they charge full speed down the lane, ramming into defenders and getting the calls? Lots.

Have you watched an Iowa State game this year? Kane gets very few of those calls
 

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Hell yeah I'm going to bring this up when supporting the claim KU always gets BS calls. How do you start play in between a 2 free throw shot foul? Once again supporting my claim, KU fans turn the cold shoulder and act like it never even happened. Maybe if you guys weren't so pampered by the refs, you'd be more prepared for the tournament and not have an early exit like you guys always do.

You hit it on the head. Here is FACT:

For whatever reason .., the conference officials deliver GAME CHANGING calls for KU EVERY year. Kansas trolls know it ... That is why "two" camps out on this site .., to defend the indefensible. He is to be ignored.
 

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The refs were bad in the game at times but it didn't favor either team. How about how Wiggins got hacked across his arm on his way to a dunk and it didn't get called?
Some people on here are just ridiculous with the conspiracy theories.
 

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The refs were bad in the game at times but it didn't favor either team. How about how Wiggins got hacked across his arm on his way to a dunk and it didn't get called?
Some people on here are just ridiculous with the conspiracy theories.

Classic ... The ole "you guys got away with it too" argument. This is always used after another one of those ref "bail out" games.