Kansas up 1 at haltime at Texas Tech

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Good, they deserve it. KU is a bunch of entitled losers who will have an early exit from the tournament every year since the Big 12 pampers them with refs who will help them down the stretch. Its counter productive really.

Reminds me of a former friend of mine. He went to ISU and is a fan of KU basketball and Nebraska football. Has the nerve to call himself and Iowa boy.
 

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Good, they deserve it. KU is a bunch of entitled losers who will have an early exit from the tournament every year since the Big 12 pampers them with refs who will help them down the stretch. Its counter productive really.
Funny that five trips past the Sweet Sixteen in 10 years is seen as "leaving early very year" for Kansas yet it would be the greatest run of tourney SUCCESS in the history of the Iowa State basketball program. Bill Self has as many trips to the Sweet Sixteen in the last three years (three) as Iowa State has in their 106 year history.
 

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Facts. Its not childish and trashy to teach a dog to **** on other peoples property? I call it as I see it. I just pointed out a valid observation. He's proud of trashy behavior. so be it. Congrats to him.
I love when people act so serious and bent out of shape over silly things. The bluster and the chest pounding are great. So serious!
 

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Funny that five trips past the Sweet Sixteen in 10 years is seen as "leaving early very year" for Kansas yet it would be the greatest run of tourney SUCCESS in the history of the Iowa State basketball program. Bill Self has as many trips to the Sweet Sixteen in the last three years (three) as Iowa State has in their 106 year history.

You do understand the meaning of leaving early when referenced with rating right. Now go back and look how they performed against their seeding. Their seeding that is often inflated due to games that are handed to them. Like last night.

Dropping out in the 16 when you are the outright 1 seed. is early. Dropping out as an elite eight when you were a Six seed is outperforming. I don't expect you to understand this logic. But it is a very real pattern.

How often does KU out perform their see. How often do the massively underperform? I'll wait. Your answer will be either ignorant of the facts or indicative of a pattern of being the protected class. Don't fight it embrace it, and tell us more about history please, oh basement dweller of the KU line of children.
 
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Facts. Its not childish and trashy to teach a dog to **** on other peoples property? I call it as I see it. I just pointed out a valid observation. He's proud of trashy behavior. so be it. Congrats to him.
It's just a funny, harmless memory of a funny moment in the KU-KSU rivalry. Doc and grandpa gave each other the business whenever they got the chance. My grandfather was an entertaining study when he was alive. A Kansas farm kid at heart yet one of the most brilliant and educated men I have ever met, earning his undergrad at Kansas and his masters at Harvard in engineering.
 

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You do understand the meaning of leaving early when referenced with rating right. Now go back and look how they performed against their seeding. Their seeding that is often inflated due to games that are handed to them. Like last night.Dropping out in the 16 when you are the outright 1 seed. is early. Dropping out as an elite eight when you were a Six seed is outperforming. I don't expect you to understand this logic. But it is a very real pattern.
Oh, I understand just fine, thanks. What a big problem it is to "underachieve" so bad. It really makes it hard when you get a Top 4 seed thirteen straight years and don't play to your seed every year. Oh, the horror, how do we go on! I think we'll deal with the shame and embarrassment just fine. Sure, I'd love to see Kansas play to their seed every year but at least they are in the mix every year versus every other program in America that has years where they are irrelevant in the sport. If our "bad" years are when we get a #1 seed and lose in the Round of 32 then that's a pretty good "bad year".
 

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It's just a funny, harmless memory of a funny moment in the KU-KSU rivalry. Doc and grandpa gave each other the business whenever they got the chance. My grandfather was an entertaining study when he was alive. A Kansas farm kid at heart yet one of the most brilliant and educated men I have ever met, earning his undergrad at Kansas and his masters at Harvard in engineering.

You do realize that **** and amonia damage rims and rubber right. you call it endearing I call it trashy behavior. If Someone ****** on my rims I'd knock them the **** out. It different back on the farm Im sure, but it doesn't make it not inconsiderate. And thus Trashy.
 

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You do understand the meaning of leaving early when referenced with rating right. Now go back and look how they performed against their seeding. Their seeding that is often inflated due to games that are handed to them. Like last night.Dropping out in the 16 when you are the outright 1 seed. is early. Dropping out as an elite eight when you were a Six seed is outperforming. I don't expect you to understand this logic. But it is a very real pattern. How often does KU out perform their see. How often do the massively underperform? I'll wait. Your answer will be either ignorant of the facts or indicative of a pattern of being the protected class. Don't fight it embrace it, and tell us more about history please, oh basement dweller of the KU line of children.
Like I said, I'd rather be a #1 seed that loses in the Sweet Sixteen than a #6 seed that lost in the Elite Eight. If you don't make the Final Four then it doesn't really matter when you lost. No one hangs Elite Eight banners. At least as the #1 seeded team you probably won a ton of exciting regular season games and won your conference versus the #6 seed that was probably middle of the pack.
 

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Oh, I understand just fine, thanks. What a big problem it is to "underachieve" so bad. It really makes it hard when you get a Top 4 seed thirteen straight years and don't play to your seed every year. Oh, the horror, how do we go on! I think we'll deal with the shame and embarrassment just fine. Sure, I'd love to see Kansas play to their seed every year but at least they are in the mix every year versus every other program in America that has years where they are irrelevant in the sport. If our "bad" years are when we get a #1 seed and lose in the Round of 32 then that's a pretty good "bad year".

Didn't say it was a bad thing to have success, just said it is indicative of being protected and inflated. By seeds they don't deserve. They get exposed when they are out of protection. Not a difficult correlation to see.

Deflect away the mention of a correlation all you want. Its an easy correlation. Puffing out your chest doesn't make it any less so. But since you are deflecting I'll just let you troll.
 
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You do realize that **** and amonia damage rims and rubber right. you call it endearing I call it trashy behavior. If Someone ****** on my rims I'd knock them the **** out. It different back on the farm Im sure, but it doesn't make it not inconsiderate. And thus Trashy.
So the fact that you would commit assault in response isn't trashy? I am talking aboput the actions of a dog. You are talking about breaking the law. Fake bravado at it's finest. Just drop it. This is such a dumb conversation.
 

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So the fact that you would commit assault in response isn't trashy? I am talking aboput the actions of a dog. You are talking about breaking the law. Fake bravado at it's finest. Just drop it. This is such a dumb conversation.

Agreed, but to be fair, your example was out of place. We know KU and KSU are rivals. In fact, there is a school in our own state called the University of Iowa with which we have our own similar rivalry. We get it, and we know how these things work without your anecdote.
 

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So the fact that you would commit assault in response isn't trashy? I am talking aboput the actions of a dog. You are talking about breaking the law. Fake bravado at it's finest. Just drop it. This is such a dumb conversation.

Its not assault if provoked. While stopping someone from committing a crime against me.

Yes I would protect my property if someone was vandalizing it while committing indecent exposure and laugh when they called the police. So I got overzelous in removing the threat to my property. And I wouldn't hurt the dog or your grandfather. Different situation, but the dog is a proxy of the trashy behavior of your Grandfather. Maybe its different back on the farm. But I wouldn't stand for it either. I'd chose other remedies as its Obviously a lot harder to prove the grandfather trained the dog, but not any less inconsiderate.
 
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Its not assault if provoked. Yes I would protect my property if someone was vandalizing it while committing indecent exposure and laugh when they called the police. So I got overzelous in removing the threat to my property. And I wouldn't hurt the dog or your grandfather. Different situation, but the dog is a proxy of the trashy behavior of your Grandfather. Maybe its different back on the farm. But I wouldn't stand for it either. I'd chose other remedies as its Obviously a lot harder to prove the grandfather trained the dog, but not any less inconsiderate.
Good grief. You people take life way too seriously. I am actually sad for you. So depressing.
 

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Didn't say it was a bad thing to have success, just said it is indicative of being protected and inflated. By seeds they don't deserve. They get exposed when they are out of protection. Not a difficult correlation to see.

Deflect away the mention of a correlation all you want. Its an easy correlation. Puffing out your chest doesn't make it any less so. But since you are deflecting I'll just let you troll.

In 2001, the refs protected Jamal Tinsley and allowed him to get away with all sorts of violations. This protection led to ISU getting beaten by a 15 seed. Fair statement?
 

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Agreed, but to be fair, your example was out of place. We know KU and KSU are rivals. In fact, there is a school in our own state called the University of Iowa with which we have our own similar rivalry. We get it, and we know how these things work without your anecdote.
It's a message board, lighten up. Have some fun, yeesh.
 

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In 2001, the refs protected Jamal Tinsley and allowed him to get away with all sorts of violations. This protection led to ISU getting beaten by a 15 seed. Fair statement?

One time does not show a correlation. but If you say so, let me know when a pattern shows itself. Now look at all the data. learn a little about outliers and correlation it might help you to have a big boy conversation.
 
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On time does not show a correlation. but If you say so, let me know when a pattern shows itself. Now look at all the data.

Iowa State hardly ever gets high seeds. They avoided any kind of pattern by being mediocre. Kudos to you guys for avoiding the underachieving trap.

ISU has been a two seed twice and lost once in the First Round. In just the last 28 years, KU has been a two seed or higher 14 times. Not once did they lose to a 15 seed. The data doesn't lie.
 

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Iowa State hardly ever gets high seeds. They avoided any kind of pattern by being mediocre. Kudos to you guys for avoiding the underachieving trap.

ISU has been a two seed twice and lost once in the First Round. In just the last 28 years, KU has been a two seed or higher 14 times. Not once did they lose to a 15 seed. The data doesn't lie.

Now look at how many times ISU performed to seed or vastly better. Manipulating data and limiting it to the one year that fits your terrible theory doesn't make it a pattern. Please refute the pattern of Many years Of opposite results with regard to seeding. I look forward to more KU Chest puffing and thumping. That is one way to deflect the facts. You do understand outliers and correlation don't you?
 

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Now look at how many times ISU performed to seed or vastly better. Manipulating data and limiting it to the one year that fits your terrible theory doesn't make it a pattern. Please refute the pattern of Many years Of opposite results with regard to seeding. I look forward to more KU Chest puffing and thumping. That is one way to deflect the facts. You do understand outliers and correlation don't you?

When is the last time Iowa State has overachieved? KU did it just two seasons ago as a two seed by making the National Championship game.