*** OFFICIAL VEISHEA WEEK 2014 THREAD ***

[IcSyU]

Here's a novel concept. Why can't people just party without rioting? Hmmm there's a crazy thought.

More people get drunk on Bourbon Street in New Orleans about every night. There's Summerfest, Lollapalooza, and god knows how many other humongous parties that almost never result in riots. You have to ask yourself why has it become a trend to start rioting during VEISHEA? It's not just one instance we're talking about.

Just get drunk and have fun. Why the hell does it need to turn into a riot?

It's probably a little bit easier in something like New Orleans to patrol and hold bars responsible for stuff like overserving. In Ames with the amount of house parties and things like that you can't control it nearly as much. I'm also guessing their police are better trained and able to get a handle on things before they get out of control.

And VEISHEA has a reputation for riots now. Idiots feel the need to be the newest headliner.

 

[dzmetcalf]

I think Leath is in a very tough position regarding this year. My gut reaction was shut it down, but I think that is tough to do at this point. You would eliminate the safe official events and still have people around partying. I am not sure how a curfew would work. Would it just be on campus and Campustown? There are people who have legitimate reasons to be out at night.

This is exactly what I've been thinking since I saw twitter blow up about VEISHEA last night.

 

[Agclone91]

So just throwing out a question. At what point does someone become uninvolved? Do they have to be a certain distance away? Not chanting? Not throwing stuff? What about the people on their balconies recording and chanting? Are they involved?

Indirectly, yes.

IMO anybody who is moving with the group of people is directly involved, regardless of whether they are the ones doing the actual property damage. If you took away all of the "bystanders" from that mob of people, the riot would have been much smaller and likely eradicated much sooner.

 

[3TrueFans]

So just throwing out a question. At what point does someone become uninvolved? Do they have to be a certain distance away? Not chanting? Not throwing stuff? What about the people on their balconies recording and chanting? Are they involved?

Don't be in the area, if you're part of the crowd you're part of the problem.

 

[DesertClone1]

Shut your mouth frat boy

or not. voicing my opinion. sorry you didn't get a bid.

 

[Skidoosh]

So just throwing out a question. At what point does someone become uninvolved? Do they have to be a certain distance away? Not chanting? Not throwing stuff? What about the people on their balconies recording and chanting? Are they involved?

This is exactly the point of mob mentality. You aren't even considering not being there, you are trying to find reasons TO be there. This is why mobs and riots are so dangerous. They attract people like moths to a flame.

Twenty people cannot tip over a car and get away with it. The police would instantly target them all and arrest them. A mob can easily do whatever they want, because police cannot directly get involved without compromising innocent people who arent involved. And when they do, suddenly everyone turns on the cops for being "too violent".

"Why didn't the cops just wait it out? Why did they antagonize the protesters and escalate the situation? Why can't they see I'm just here to videotape, I didn't throw a bottle. **** the police!" Are things heard after every riot that ends in police intervention. There is no winning situation. Rioting is a lose/lose.

Like I've said before. If there are no bystanders, there is no riot. Period.

TL;DR The only winning move is not to play.

 

[RubyClone]

So just throwing out a question. At what point does someone become uninvolved? Do they have to be a certain distance away? Not chanting? Not throwing stuff? What about the people on their balconies recording and chanting? Are they involved?

It's a fair point. But do you really think being in your own home on the balcony is the same as being in the mob on the street? Honestly?

I'd have to say if you are there, and otherwise have no business in being there, you are a participant. If you are standing there - not saying a word, but remaining then you are participating. If the person next to you, hell even BEHIND you is doing the same - they are participating. If you are turning around and attempting to leave - are are less a participant that the people you are trying to get through.

Do I think the same are held in the same regard as those who smash windows, tip cars, toss bottles and crack kids over the head with a light post? Obviously not. But they still shoulder some responsibility.

Question. Did an ambulance have to come to treat this person? Was the crowd instantly dispersed to allow access? There are all kinds of problems with "just witnessing" events and not taking active parts.

 

[Tornado man]

This is exactly the point of mob mentality. You aren't even considering not being there, you are trying to find reasons TO be there.

Bingo. Sums it up right there.

 

[Skidoosh]

Also, why is the prevailing statement "It's only Tuesday"/"On a Tuesday night, really?" being stated everywhere?

Is it OK to riot on Friday/Saturday over Tuesday? Foot meet mouth.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

Question. Did an ambulance have to come to treat this person? Was the crowd instantly dispersed to allow access? There are all kinds of problems with "just witnessing" events and not taking active parts.

I saw an SUV surrounded by cops come through but there weren't any flashing lights. I didn't see an ambulance but I left a while before it all ended.

 

[Judoka]

I don't even understand the mindset that someone could justify "not being involved" if they were chanting. If you are egging on the people rioting you are part of the riot. How do you even rationalize that not being the case?

 

[Rabbuk]

My dad always says how great Mardi Gras in the late 70s early 80s was, yes everyone was absolutely drunk off their *****, but everyone just wanted everyone else to have a good time. There's an understanding that you can have a good time, as long as you're not causing someone else to have a less good time.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I don't even understand the mindset that someone could justify "not being involved" if they were chanting. If you are egging on the people rioting you are part of the riot. How do you even rationalize that not being the case?

I was just throwing out examples because the one guy said he wasn't throwing stuff or tipping cars but I'm gonna assume he was chanting.

 

[Bret44]

Also, why is the prevailing statement "It's only Tuesday"/"On a Tuesday night, really?" being stated everywhere?

Is it OK to riot on Friday/Saturday over Tuesday? Foot meet mouth.

Because rioting on a Tuesday is like leaving a party early. You just ****ed up a lot of fun all week

 

[ISUCubswin]

Also, why is the prevailing statement "It's only Tuesday"/"On a Tuesday night, really?" being stated everywhere?

Is it OK to riot on Friday/Saturday over Tuesday? Foot meet mouth.

I think it's being said because this could cause changes in what happens the rest of this week.

 

[RubyClone]

I saw an SUV surrounded by cops come through but there weren't any flashing lights. I didn't see an ambulance but I left a while before it all ended.

That was after the light came down and (supposedly) this person was hurt?

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I thought it was being said because people are like "wtf it's only Tuesday, the rest of the week is gonna be even crazier"

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

That was after the light came down and (supposedly) this person was hurt?

Yes. I couldn't tell who was in the SUV and I didn't see any markings on it because it was surrounded.

 

[Wesley]

I witnessed most it from afar and can't believe the cops didn't break it up sooner. It should have before it hit Welch.

We needed the armadillo tank crowd buster/splatterer vehicle last night.

 

[Skidoosh]

I thought it was being said because people are like "wtf it's only Tuesday, the rest of the week is gonna be even crazier"

Yeah this is how I've been hearing it.