*** OFFICIAL VEISHEA WEEK 2014 THREAD ***

[Clone1138]

Good points, jbtexas. Lots of people descend upon Ames several times a year for football games and I'm willing to bet that there's just as much alcohol consumption at tailgates. But yet, we never see riots happening during the games. It's something about VEISHA that does this. Maybe it's an outside element, I don't know. I don't have any answers.

 

[isuforlife]

Made National news way to go..... ISU .......... BIG BLACK EYE

 

[oldman]

I saw my daughter in that video. Bummer.

She said she was there, but the girl I saw wasn't her. Shaky enough video I could be mistaken. I told her she needs to be leaving situations like that, when the **** hits the fan.

 

[Section110]

Hard to blame people for standing around. In a situation like this, you can't really blame the group, you have to blame the environment. Something needs to be done to prevent this type of environment. This would happen anywhere a large group of 18-21 year old drunk kids are allowed to assemble. I've been on bus rides where the whole bus starts chanting on a random weekend of the year. Everyone gets to their stop and goes home but when the environment allows this big of a group to assemble, there will be problems.

The bar situation in Ames does not help. Having the bars at 21 kept them all small and limited in number. There isn't enough room for such a gathering to be sheltered in doors and prevent a large mass of people to accrue in the streets. The fence idea makes the most sense to me, but there are people in Campustown that live there and are not 21.

The bolded comment is complete ignorance. 18-21 year old kids assemble at all sorts of different kind of events. Concerts, sporting events, etc. It rarely ever results in a riot. The consistency at which VEISHEA has resulted in a riot is the problem. In my opinion it is becoming part of the tradition. If you think that's a ridiculous comment then go back and look at the OP in this thread. People think it's funny until something bad happens. It's sad but it's true. The University can't just turn their backs to something that's becoming a continual issue. That's negligence. Especially when someone has now been seriously injured or possibly killed because of it.

 

[RubyClone]

What about that game vs Ohio University when we won, tore down the goal posts and carried them to Lake Laverne? Is that not a riot? (Playing devils advocate)

Actually - yes it is. And in that context I step back and say I'm as guilty as you and others in being a passive participant in such.

Although I think we'll agree there are varying degrees - and certainly intent in these acts.

(When was this that the gp's were tore down versus Ohio?)

 

[BloodyBuddy]

Face it folks. What was once a great tradition and great celebration - the largest 100% student run event in the world - has become little more than a drunkfest. Read the posts in this thread before the riot started for proof of intent. Cancel it. It's time has come and gone. It is clear ISU and its student body are not capable of handling it.

Everything is a drunk fest anymore. Football games, Ragbrai, NCAA basketball tournament, St Paddys Day. People will use any excuse to get blotto and do dumb stuff.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Don't be in the area, if you're part of the crowd you're part of the problem.

Aren't we already boycotting riots?

 

[Althetuna]

Thinking out loud. I wonder if moving the time of year VEISHEA happens would help. With VEISHEA in the early spring, students have been cooped up all winter. Add alcohol and the additional energy of being outdoors on the first nice night of the year and stupid things happen a little easier.


I know the first nice night I'm outdoors I have a little more energy and the beer goes down a little faster.

 

[sunnysideup]

The bolded comment is complete ignorance. 18-21 year old kids assemble at all sorts of different kind of events. Concerts, sporting events, etc. It rarely ever results in a riot. The consistency at which VEISHEA has resulted in a riot is the problem. In my opinion it is becoming part of the tradition. If you think that's a ridiculous comment then go back and look at the OP in this thread. People think it's funny until something bad happens. It's sad but it's true. The University can't just turn their backs to something that's becoming a continual issue. That's negligence. Especially when someone has now been seriously injured or possibly killed because of it.

Yahtzee

The mob was running around chanting "VEISHEA". I think the first couple of riots back in the 90's were just coincidental. Any after that were a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't necessarily believe when the night began that riots were on the docket but as the night went on, parties got broken up and groups of people were forced together, the collective drunken light bulb came on and everybody was like "duh this is VEISHEA, break out the riot".

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

Actually - yes it is. And in that context I step back and say I'm as guilty as you and others in being a passive participant in such.

Although I think we'll agree there are varying degrees - and certainly intent in these acts.

(When was this that the gp's were tore down versus Ohio?)

I guess I was mistaken that it was Ohio, but I thought they did tear down the posts. It was against Baylor, Homecoming game 1997

A second riot occurred during Homecoming 1997, when ISU beat Baylor 24-17 and ended a 13-game losing streak. Hundreds of people rushed onto the field and brought down a goal post, which was then paraded to Lake LaVerne. The mob threw the goal post into the lake, along with a stop sign, the swan crossing sign, a dumpster, a light post, and barricades. A dozen people were arrested and a few were injured in the celebration. Special equipment was required to pull the objects out of Lake LaVerne, and it cost thousands of dollars to replace the goal post at Jack Trice Stadium.

from https://www.isualum.org/en/events/homecoming/homecoming_2012/history/

But according to this article they did tear them down for Ohio: http://www.iowastatedaily.com/article_73e9ca33-4b05-5702-89c5-9310b1775301.html

 

[buf87]

Do students realize that many have been photographed and will be arrested after the fact.

 

[ISUCubswin]

The use Veishea as an excuse to drink - I wouldn't say drinking is Veishea tradition.

 

[Althetuna]

Yahtzee

The mob was running around chanting "VEISHEA". I think the first couple of riots back in the 90's were just coincidental. Any after that were a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't necessarily believe when the night began that riots were on the docket but as the night went on, parties got broken up and groups of people were forced together, the collective drunken light bulb came on and everybody was like "duh this is VEISHEA, break out the riot".

The 1992 crowd was chanting "Less Filling, Taste Great" as I recall. It was a real political statement, let me tell you.

 

[Jer]

Hard to blame people for standing around. In a situation like this, you can't really blame the group, you have to blame the environment. Something needs to be done to prevent this type of environment. This would happen anywhere a large group of 18-21 year old drunk kids are allowed to assemble. I've been on bus rides where the whole bus starts chanting on a random weekend of the year. Everyone gets to their stop and goes home but when the environment allows this big of a group to assemble, there will be problems.

The bar situation in Ames does not help. Having the bars at 21 kept them all small and limited in number. There isn't enough room for such a gathering to be sheltered in doors and prevent a large mass of people to accrue in the streets. The fence idea makes the most sense to me, but there are people in Campustown that live there and are not 21.

The environment was caused by the nature of the crowd - including those "just standing around". There is nothing different about Welch than just about any campus in America and you don't see recurring riots everywhere else. The people are what caused the bad environment regardless of how you look at it.

To suggest that the physical environment was a contributing factor is complete BS in my opinion. Fault rests with the idiots that either directly contributed to the shouting, throwing of bottles/fireworks, and property damage and those that contributed by simply being present and added to the crowd mentality that has been proven to be a very large contributing factor in riots.

Regardless of those that want to defend those that "just watched", it has been proven in psychology that as the crowd gets bigger, even of pure spectators, the more vocal and violent the core group gets. By being there and watching, you're contributing to the riot - according to both the exact wording of Iowa Law and various studies.

 

[Section110]

Yahtzee

The mob was running around chanting "VEISHEA". I think the first couple of riots back in the 90's were just coincidental. Any after that were a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't necessarily believe when the night began that riots were on the docket but as the night went on, parties got broken up and groups of people were forced together, the collective drunken light bulb came on and everybody was like "duh this is VEISHEA, break out the riot".

Exactly. Anyone who isn't willing to admit that's it's becoming tradition is blind. The school can not continue to allow an event that puts the students in situations where they magically believe it's okay to start a riot simply because it's VEISHEA! I'm not saying these kids are bad people. It's the environment and the standards that were set before them. They think it's okay to do it because it's been done several times before. Now someone has been seriously hurt because they've continued to allow it. Unfortunately someone has to step in and say enough is enough.

 

[sunnysideup]

Do students realize that many have been photographed and will be arrested after the fact.

A good friend of mine was out there last night and posted four videos to her facebook page, a couple of which got some really good HD shots of people in the act of vandalism. She has since emailed them to the Ames PD.

 

[cyclonez7]

VEISHEA is not the problem. The dumb students and their friends are the problem. Maybe ISU needs to increase it's standards for admitting students to weed out all of the bad apples.

 

[tm3308]

Hard to blame people for standing around. In a situation like this, you can't really blame the group, you have to blame the environment. Something needs to be done to prevent this type of environment. This would happen anywhere a large group of 18-21 year old drunk kids are allowed to assemble. I've been on bus rides where the whole bus starts chanting on a random weekend of the year. Everyone gets to their stop and goes home but when the environment allows this big of a group to assemble, there will be problems.

The bar situation in Ames does not help. Having the bars at 21 kept them all small and limited in number. There isn't enough room for such a gathering to be sheltered in doors and prevent a large mass of people to accrue in the streets. The fence idea makes the most sense to me, but there are people in Campustown that live there and are not 21.

Don't hundreds of students get wasted on Welch roughly 4 nights a week? They aren't tearing down light poles, flipping cars or lighting couches/dumpsters ablaze any other time of year. This isn't typical behavior for groups this large, even when they're drinking. It's become typical behavior for VEISHEA. There's a big difference there.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

Looking through the past. 2004 riots were because of a party on Hunt Street and this one was caused by a party on Hunt Street (2-3 houses down from the 2004 one)

Just demolish Hunt Street

 

[Cyclonesince78]

If there is a live feed whenever the press conference happens please post a link or preferably start a new thread with the link.