Follow the laws, tell your buddies not to drink and drive and you'll be fine. I would stop talking about it publicly though
*** OFFICIAL VEISHEA WEEK 2014 THREAD ***
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Follow the laws, tell your buddies not to drink and drive and you'll be fine. I would stop talking about it publicly though
yes first real incident since 2004, these students are out of control! Cancel everything!
And you are using your opinion, which has absolutely no basis in fact, to throw the university president under the bus for making a very difficult decision.
I stated 1994, where your articles are from 2004. Furthermore, I was at the 1994 parties at the riot location and left when the police showed up to break them up. I saw the aftermath. I know what I'm talking about.
If someone were killed during a riot that happened during a school-funded event (like the concerts, or while working on a float, for example), you don't think the university would be sued in a millisecond? People are litigious these days, even if the victims were doing something stupid. If university police harmed someone physically long-term in a confrontation, whether it's related to official events or not, you don't think ISU would be sued? They're lowering their potential liability by saying "we have nothing to do with this anymore."
No issues for a decade. Can we stop acting like this is an event with constant issues?
Because we all know that regularly-occurring riots are only a problem if they happen more than once ever 10-12 years.
Sounds like Nat'l Guard might be called up for crowd control if things go south again. And they do have the training for it.
Actually - yes. It's a damn Tuesday night. Specifically the Tuesday of VEISHEA weekend. Cross his fingers and hope that it just happens to get better on Wednesday? When something happens often enough, if not regularly enough, that you expect it - even anticipate it - the cause/effect becomes obvious. Well to most of us anyway.
To use Alex's parlance - it's not surprising that the group opposed to this is the way they are - or has that feeling. It's an element long on this board that thrives on disruption and antagonism.
Sure - if you show me where ISU has endured riots outside of VEISHEA week?
It's not constant - but it's repeated.
It has plenty of basis in fact.
Fact- cancelling veishea will not hurt the idiots that caused tuesday night's problems. They will continue drinking. Any effects on them will come via photos and charges and student conduct code violations, which could occur without canceling.
Fact- cancelling veishea wil harm a lot of others who were not involved in the events who were looking forward to the weekend (things like the parade), and those who spent countless hours planning the event.
Fact- cancelling veishea may even increase the chance of problems as with less on-campus activities more will turn to more drunken ones. (After 04 it was even specifically noted that more on-campus events should be planned to draw people away from more alcohol-fueled areas, which is why the stages moved to central campus in 06)
Show me the actual positive effect other than for PR of making this decision. Nobody has been able to do that.
I'm still waiting on that number of riots outside VEISHEA. Let's call it X, presumed to be 0
Fact: 5+ cases of rioting during VEISHEA week since 1988 giving a 19.23% incidence rate. X cases the other 1326 weeks since 1988.
*blink*
Riots in '92, '94, stabbing murder in '97, 2004, and now 2014?
Granted, the stabbing could be argued it was just coincidence that it happened during VEISHEA.
That's five negatives happening during VEISHEA in just over 20 years...probably four too many.
I'll bet the University's potential for liability if anything happens the rest of this week was brought up a few times in meetings.
I do hope that this will encourage students to decide how they want the new VEISHEA to be viewed. So if the students want the good things to come from this cancellation, they can do it. If the students only see this as "cancellation" then, there's nothing good coming from this.
This is from my other post at another thread:
How VEISHEA is going to be revived depends on the students. If the students want to treat is as a chance of getting drunk and thus increasing the risk of riots in the future, then VEISHIA will always be an excuse to party and get drunk.
If the students decide to make it a celebration of our University then, they need to think differently. They need to learn to police their peers, to discourage destructive behavior, not just standing by when people start to riot but leave the premise immediately, stop viewing riot as being "funny" or "cool" or "expected".
I know in the mid-90s after the Walden years, the first time we won a football game (and happened a few times afterwards), the students tore down the goal posts and dumped them in Lake Laverne with bike racks, bikes, signs, and other things. I believe traffic on Lincoln Way may have been impacted as well. However they weren't labeled riots and I believe the damage was less-severe.
There's nothing wrong with VEISHEA being an excuse to get drunk. The problem is that people associate VEISHEA with rioting and at this point it is self fufilling. People aren't getting any more drunk on VEISHEA than they are for a home football game. Especially not on a Tuesday night. But they are wanting to riot because it is VEISHEA.
