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rholtgraves

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Bewilder: I dont think there is anything wrong asking someone who posted something wild to back their opinion.


Rholt: I personally think its unrealistic....but with BJD, Naz, Monte, Thomas, and Custer...who is he playing in front of given we are very forward and post player heavy this coming season?

So you are just assuming Custer is better than him? Are you assuming he isn't working hard to improve and can't improve? What if he makes the leap that Naz did last year. It's all possible and frankly he showed more in his limited minutes last year than Naz as a Freshman. I'm not saying it's going to happen but it is possible he sees more playing time this year.
 

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I see both sides of the argument here. I think SDW has the potential to be a good player, and we have seen at least in the CCL he is capable of scoring. However, he is going to have to jump someone to get time, and I'm not sure who that someone is.

SDW plays the 2/3 position. Others that can be slotted in that position are BDJ, Nader, Long, MT. Custer is more of a PG but you could see him slide to the 2. Hogue is more of a 4 but we've seen him play some 3. BDJ is going to get 30 minutes a game, and Nader and Long should both get at least 15-20. Coach showed last season a preference for MT, and given this year's lineup Matt will probably only see 10-15 per game. I hope SDW gets a chance, I'm just struggling to see where his minutes come from.

Another way to think about it is he struggled to see the floor last year. We lost Kane (1/2 guard) and Ejim (4/5). We've added Custer (1/2) BDJ (2/3) Nader (2/3) and we've heard reports Naz continues to make strides. If anything, there will be less minutes at the positions SDW plays than last year, and last year he couldn't find minutes.


Fred has the talent that he can pull some surprises out during the season. For instance, if we are looking a little flat, I could see him going farther down the bench to get a spark. Or using a guy way above his MPG in order to throw off the defensive game plan of an opponent (and then not using him much in the next game, again to throw off the defensive game plan of an opponent).
 

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So you are just assuming Custer is better than him? Are you assuming he isn't working hard to improve and can't improve? What if he makes the leap that Naz did last year. It's all possible and frankly he showed more in his limited minutes last year than Naz as a Freshman. I'm not saying it's going to happen but it is possible he sees more playing time this year.

Oh not at all....it's certainly not like Thomas lit the world on fire that his minutes are safe...I'm just saying that still puts him 4th at the very best for guard minutes.
 

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Sunshine and Rainbows........just being honest. Not like im ripping his manhood or his family crest here.....but cmon, be realistic given what we have seen from all parties involved.
We have a fantastic program, and a great roster for 2014-15. Why spend all this energy on a role player? So SDW isn't a superstar? Who cares. We have 10 other guys that can play.

He's the least of my worries. And I have next to no worries with the shape of our program
 

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Fred has the talent that he can pull some surprises out during the season. For instance, if we are looking a little flat, I could see him going farther down the bench to get a spark. Or using a guy way above his MPG in order to throw off the defensive game plan of an opponent (and then not using him much in the next game, again to throw off the defensive game plan of an opponent).

I agree, and that's where I don't really understand where the disagreement lies here. I get the sense people are saying he should be getting consistent minutes throughout the whole year. I can see Fred using him much like Edozie, if the opponent requires a different look, and/or we get in foul trouble SDW can come in. Do I see 10-15 minutes per game out there for him? I don't think so.

Also, to your point, that is an option that would have been available to Fred with SDW last year that he rarely used. Let's just all hope SDW has made a huge jump and Fred can't justify keeping him off the floor this year.
 

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Bewilder: I dont think there is anything wrong asking someone who posted something wild to back their opinion.


Rholt: I personally think its unrealistic....but with BJD, Naz, Monte, Thomas, and Custer...who is he playing in front of given we are very forward and post player heavy this coming season?

So it is unrealistic to think he could play in front of Custer who struggled getting the ball up the court last night? I'm not trying to knock on Custer just trying to open your eyes alittle.

I'm willing to bet you have never actually seen Sherron Dorsey play in person other than maybe in the closing minutes of blowout games.
 

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We have a fantastic program, and a great roster for 2014-15. Why spend all this energy on a role player? So SDW isn't a superstar? Who cares. We have 10 other guys that can play.

He's the least of my worries. And I have next to no worries with the shape of our program

Exactly. We don't need to go 12 deep for derpth like some teams. Fred has shown a preference for playing a shorter bench anyways.

Let's just see how SDW develops. If he leaves, so be it. If he succeeds and get on the floor in the next few years, gravy.
 

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We have a fantastic program, and a great roster for 2014-15. Why spend all this energy on a role player? So SDW isn't a superstar? Who cares. We have 10 other guys that can play.

He's the least of my worries. And I have next to no worries with the shape of our program

So much depth to worry about. Hoks beware. When Fran subs his second team, here comes Fred with the match.
 
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mattyice

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So it is unrealistic to think he could play in front of Custer who struggled getting the ball up the court last night? I'm not trying to knock on Custer just trying to open your eyes alittle.

I'm willing to bet you have never actually seen Sherron Dorsey play in person other than maybe in the closing minutes of blowout games.

Oh i have him slated higher than Custer...and actually if you told me he would take over Thomas i wouldnt bat an eye..that still leaves him 4th on the depth chart.

No i mean ive watched his blowout minutes, and watches him in the CCL (which isnt a great indicator by any means). Im just going off what i know from last year...which should be a good indicator...that he was far behind two true freshman.
 

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I agree, and that's where I don't really understand where the disagreement lies here. I get the sense people are saying he should be getting consistent minutes throughout the whole year. I can see Fred using him much like Edozie, if the opponent requires a different look, and/or we get in foul trouble SDW can come in. Do I see 10-15 minutes per game out there for him? I don't think so.

Also, to your point, that is an option that would have been available to Fred with SDW last year that he rarely used. Let's just all hope SDW has made a huge jump and Fred can't justify keeping him off the floor this year.

SDW can jump. He is fast. He can score. He just needs to play better defense this year.
 

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Exactly. We don't need to go 12 deep for derpth like some teams. Fred has shown a preference for playing a shorter bench anyways.

Let's just see how SDW develops. If he leaves, so be it. If he succeeds and get on the floor in the next few years, gravy.

Darn. Won't have McCabe around to abuse.
 

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Oh i have him slated higher than Custer...and actually if you told me he would take over Thomas i wouldnt bat an eye..that still leaves him 4th on the depth chart.

No i mean ive watched his blowout minutes, and watches him in the CCL (which isnt a great indicator by any means). Im just going off what i know from last year...which should be a good indicator...that he was far behind two true freshman.

Far behind? Im guessing you just pulled that out your ***.
 

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Far behind? Im guessing you just pulled that out your ***.


Are you saying that last year SDW WASNT somehow far behind Thomas and MOnte? I mean he got basically no minutes while they got all of them.....id say thats far behind?
 

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How does he make the rotation?

Easy, he plays better than MT, Naz, BDJ, Custer, or anyone else.

I personally don't care who is out there, as long as they make Iowa St. better. If SDW is better than Naz, and that means Naz, after a great year last year, has to ride the bench, then so be it. Anything to make the team better.

I really think some get favorites in their head, and sometimes that gets in the way of a fair opinion. I know Naz had a good year last year & hit alot of big shots for us, and Matt started as a freshmen & is heralded as a great shooter, but bottom line, if SDW is better this fall, I want him playing above them.
 

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Lets keep in mind Fred mixes around who he has on the court all of the time. For example Nader is a true 3 in my book but there are times where he could be a 4 or a 2 in the offense. This opens up some minutes for some guys to take advantage of. I think either Custer/SDW are going to battle to make a real contribution off the bench next year. Interested to see how it plays out.
 

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Guys, depth is overrated. Just ask the Hawkeyes.


Derpth is overrated. Depth, not so much. Having 7 or 8 guys that are all capable of playing solid minutes and contributing is nice. Have 10 guys who are all capable does present a PT problem however is nice to have in practice so you have decent guys to compete against and learn from.
 

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They're going to have to depend on Niang, Hogue and Edozie rotating in at the 4 and 5 early on while Nader sits due to has DUI (first few games). Then when Nader is available, they would have Hogue and Nader both able to play the 3 and 4. They pretty much have to get through the noncom with minimal losses until McKay is available and then strap in for the ride.
 

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Derpth is overrated. Depth, not so much. Having 7 or 8 guys that are all capable of playing solid minutes and contributing is nice. Have 10 guys who are all capable does present a PT problem however is nice to have in practice so you have decent guys to compete against and learn from.

I think that having 8-9 is perfect as long as the other guys don't have bad attitudes about not playing. You need guys like Percy who good teammates and can play in a pinch. If it doesn't look like he will get enough playing time, he can transfer to a lower level for his last year or two.