Actually when the media was practically announcing Brian Kelly as our next head coach (they were misled I assume), some of us were very excited about him. He was a mid-level head coach capable of beating d-1 teams with lesser talent, just what we needed. Even if he hadn't stayed, the program would have been in much better shape imo Looking at our football history, the Chiz hire was very similar to Donnie Duncan (both d-coordinators at programs loaded with talent). But even though DD wasn't very successful, his years were golden compared to the Chiz. I agree JP has done some good things in the fund raising department, but his background is cross country and there's nothing to indicate he knows anything about football, which drives the athletic department. I'm not giving up hope that CPR can reverse things and get our program back to a respectable level and more, but JP needs to leave picking the next head coach to somebody else if that becomes necessary.
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Actually when the media was practically announcing Brian Kelly as our next head coach (they were misled I assume), some of us were very excited about him. He was a mid-level head coach capable of beating d-1 teams with lesser talent, just what we needed. Even if he hadn't stayed, the program would have been in much better shape imo Looking at our football history, the Chiz hire was very similar to Donnie Duncan (both d-coordinators at programs loaded with talent). But even though DD wasn't very successful, his years were golden compared to the Chiz. I agree JP has done some good things in the fund raising department, but his background is cross country and there's nothing to indicate he knows anything about football, which drives the athletic department. I'm not giving up hope that CPR can reverse things and get our program back to a respectable level and more, but JP needs to leave picking the next head coach to somebody else if that becomes necessary.
Pinkel:
Year 1: 4-7
Year 2: 5-7
Year 3: 8-5
Year 4: 5-6
Year 5: 7-5
Year 6: 8-5
Rhoads:
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 5-7
Year 3: 6-7
Year 4: 6-7
Year 5: 3-9
Year 6: 0-1, blowout home loss to FCS team
I guess it remains to be seen, but Pinkel went from "mediocre" to "above average" (and later, better than that), whereas Rhoads' teams have gone from "mediocre" to "bad."
CycloneErik
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Gary Pinkel has never, ever won less than 4 games, much less set himself up to do it twice in a row in year 5 and 6.
That's an invalid comparison.
That's an invalid comparison.
Gary Pinkel use to be a great comparison to Rhoads for the benefits of keeping a coach around through what seems like mediocre after mediocre season. Unfortunately, Rhoads black-eyed his team's development with promoting a coach to OC that's highest level of experience at that position was Upper Iowa and St. Ambrose. Now, he's got himself in a hole which is bigger after the Bison came to town.
Pinkel also had the advantage of the divisions, and round robin scheduling....
i think ink it's not a bad comparison at all. Missouri fans wanted him gone, and were star.ting to sound a lot like them.
I agree, saying it remains to be seen is way too optimistic. Rhoads is not a Pinkle situation.
Im not trying to say it remains to be seen or it's just the same as pinkel. Rhoads has the rest of the year and next year to improve the situation or I'm fully aboard the Craig Bohl from Wyoming train.
The Rhoads-Pinkel comparison is so pie-in-the-sky that I'm not surprised the guy who first made it doesn't understand.
Did I say that? I'm disappointed and frustrated as anyone else, but I know our position and how are hands are tied with Rhoads. I'll still go and support our team though although I don't think my liver can take weekends like that again. Never heard a lot of people think we were going bowling, myself included, so as ****** as this loss was, what'd we really expect out of the season?
I am not going to punish Rhoads for doing better in Year 1, but it is far from speculative to say Rhoads is going down in success, while GP went up.
CPR's choice of offense was not optimal and the inability to hire a staff that can identify and develop talent is becoming impossible to ignore.
Pinkel had the HUGE advantage of having Iowa State on his schedule.....basically a bye week every year. CPR cannot schedule himself. That is one extra game a year to contend with. We make other programs....the list is long.
If I was the JP, I'd be thanking my lucky stars that I hired Fred. The heat would be turned up on him even more if his second basketball hire wasn't successful.
So far, JP has hired 4 coaches for football and basketball. One was brilliant, two were total failures and the other is on shaky grounds right now trending toward total failure as well. I'm not calling JP to be fired but he's made some questionable hires so far.
As far as what to do with Rhoads, I don't think there is really anything he can do with that horrid contract extension he gave CPR. Unless some angry donors step in, I think we're stuck with him for at least a couple years.
So far, JP has hired 4 coaches for football and basketball. One was brilliant, two were total failures and the other is on shaky grounds right now trending toward total failure as well. I'm not calling JP to be fired but he's made some questionable hires so far.
As far as what to do with Rhoads, I don't think there is really anything he can do with that horrid contract extension he gave CPR. Unless some angry donors step in, I think we're stuck with him for at least a couple years.
This was posted yesterday. You must not have looked very hard.
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191795&page=2&p=4155072&highlight=#post4155072
