Kxno

[SpokaneCY]

Don't get me wrong - I'm worried as hell. And even though I'm bagging on the whole instance this morning - I fully realize and admit that it could be 100% true and accurate. I think it's less than is being made out (see KingCy's post).

Gannon leaving bothers me. Jensen leaving last spring kinda bothered me - but I see a lot of merit in the idea of Irving and Coe being cancers. But something about the dad of a walk-on who's no longer on the team chiming in on a call in radio show without actually standing behind what he's saying by giving his name and commenting about what his son says about this year's situation that makes me just not put a lot of stock in it.

Could just be the only parent thus far willing to stick his neck out. Could be a helicopter parent. Could be a plant. Still seems kind of smokey in Ames.

I HOPE it's just the new coaches working through the "dead wood" and sending the message attitudes must change.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Rhoads has shown in the past that he can win games, and that he can coach multiple players to the NFL. Whether he recruited them or not is for you all to discuss, but in the end it all points to one thing, he is competent.

There is a ton of screaming on this site lately about how they can't recruit talent here, and so on. If that were the case Mark Mangino wouldn't be sitting in the office next to Rhoads right now. Neither would the other hires that mostly came with reference of Mangino. These coaches all know exactly what they are doing, and if they didn't they wouldn't be Big 12 coaches. So we can all dismiss the idea that these guys are 'in over their heads'.

As far as the locker room goes, its very common for someone, or some players to get a negative spin on the head coach. There is turnover at every college program. Look at or neighbors in black and gold. They have had some SERIOUS attrition in the past.

If Rhoads is a good coach, and I'm fairly certain he is, he let the film do all the talking he needed to do. Nothing worse than sitting in silence with 75 guys around you watching a replay in slow motion frame by frame of how bad you and your teammates looked. You don't even need to say a word, just pause, rewind, and repeat. They will get the message.

This team is young and lacks leadership. How a RS Senior starter leaves the team after the first game I may never be able to answer, but Rhoads better. He needs to get this all sorted now. Too much speculation going on between everyone. That means coming out tomorrow, and playing like you care. Cause if you don't, it's going to be obvious.

 

[Cychedelia]

Could just be the only parent thus far willing to stick his neck out. Could be a helicopter parent. Could be a plant. Still seems kind of smokey in Ames.

I HOPE it's just the new coaches working through the "dead wood" and sending the message attitudes must change.

This is what I think it is.

 

[Cychedelia]

Rhoads has shown in the past that he can win games, and that he can coach multiple players to the NFL. Whether he recruited them or not is for you all to discuss, but in the end it all points to one thing, he is competent.

There is a ton of screaming on this site lately about how they can't recruit talent here, and so on. If that were the case Mark Mangino wouldn't be sitting in the office next to Rhoads right now. Neither would the other hires that mostly came with reference of Mangino. These coaches all know exactly what they are doing, and if they didn't they wouldn't be Big 12 coaches. So we can all dismiss the idea that these guys are 'in over their heads'.

As far as the locker room goes, its very common for someone, or some players to get a negative spin on the head coach. There is turnover at every college program. Look at or neighbors in black and gold. They have had some SERIOUS attrition in the past.

If Rhoads is a good coach, and I'm fairly certain he is, he let the film do all the talking he needed to do. Nothing worse than sitting in silence with 75 guys around you watching a replay in slow motion frame by frame of how bad you and your teammates looked. You don't even need to say a word, just pause, rewind, and repeat. They will get the message.

This team is young and lacks leadership. How a RS Senior starter leaves the team after the first game I may never be able to answer, but Rhoads better. He needs to get this all sorted now. Too much speculation going on between everyone. That means coming out tomorrow, and playing like you care. Cause if you don't, it's going to be obvious.

Great post! I agree 100%

 

[michaelrr1]

I never claimed that what the caller was stating isn't true, I have no idea, I'm not on the roster. My point in my post is I have very little respect for little "tattle tales" who take the opportunity to pile on when the chips are down. It's immature and really classless IMO. If you have such information you tell your friends, discuss it around the water cooler, but to call into a radio show for no other purpose to "be the man with the info".....it's embarrassing. As I read the OP, my first thought was "must be a hawk". That's how it comes across to me.

 

[FreeBorn]

A parent of a walk-on from ankeny (and Iowa Western CC) was just on Kxno. His son has left the program and transferred to D2 in Mankato State but what was more interesting is that he said there is a definite separation in the locker room and the kids aren't buying CPR and his Ra Ra speeches anymore...

Shouldn't surprise anyone who's not mentally ill.

 

[FreeBorn]

These coaches all know exactly what they are doing, and if they didn't they wouldn't be Big 12 coaches. So we can all dismiss the idea that these guys are 'in over their heads'.

Sure we can dismiss this if we deny reality.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Sure we can dismiss this if we deny reality.

The reality of the situation is we lost. I have lost many games in numerous competitive environments with good and bad teams. Most have not been pretty, and the ones that are closest to wins always hurt the most. In the end they're all just loses. I think people are freaking out over nothing. If we go 0-12, we can talk.

 

[FreeBorn]

The reality of the situation is we lost. I have lost many games in numerous competitive environments with good and bad teams. Most have not been pretty, and the ones that are closest to wins always hurt the most. In the end they're all just loses. I think people are freaking out over nothing. If we go 0-12, we can talk.

If that was the case, you would be correct. However, this los last week, and most of the losses from last year were not "just losses". It's the way the program is losing now and to whom.

 

[spelhome]

I actually had this discussion the other day. McD didn't have any kind of success and CPR has gone to a couple of bowl games but the program is teetering on the edge of going off the cliff like mbb did under Greg. Greg had defenders down to the bitter end and I think it's going to be a lot worse with CPR because he's more popular than Greg was. There's people who have bought so much into the postgame speeches and the so proud tagline that they care more about having him as our coach than wins/losses

puh-lease. Straw man. name one.

 

[jsb]

If that was the case, you would be correct. However, this los last week, and most of the losses from last year were not "just losses". It's the way the program is losing now and to whom.

Last year TCU, Texas, Iowa, UNI, and Texas Tech were all very close games. Hell, we were probably 30 seconds away from beating TCU and we were robbed by the refs in the Texas game.

It was a very bad season, but don't make it worse than it really was.

 

[FreeBorn]

Last year TCU, Texas, Iowa, UNI, and Texas Tech were all very close games. Hell, we were probably 30 seconds away from beating TCU and we were robbed by the refs in the Texas game.

It was a very bad season, but don't make it worse than it really was.

I certainly don't want to make it worse that it really is. The fact is, this team shouldn't have been on the field with the good big 12 teams they played last year, and shouldn't be this year. That's how bad it is. Wish that wasn't the case.

By the way, of the 5 teams you mentioned, one was a d-1aa team and the other four were not elite big 12 teams. We saw what happened when we played the cream of the big 12 crop. I would think it'll be even worse this season. Hopefully, Bobby Stoops, Art Briles, Mike Gundy and the others have pity on cpr this year.

 

[temperflare]

I'll give you that, but what do the results tell you? Is this team playing like it's together?

There was a very rocky offseason followed by a horrendous opening loss, and then a veteran player who by all accounts seems like he was a good kid decides to say screw this I'm done. I don't think you need to have a mole inside of the program to know that there is probably a divide growing. That doesn't mean all of players hate Rhoads. I would never suggest that. All I'm saying is that people need to chill with the whole "attack the messenger" nonsense because the evidence suggests there's probably truth in what is being said no matter how badly you want to believe the opposite.

I had a manager who once asked my how I don't have any "2" performers on my team (scale of 1-5 with 5 being the perfect employee).

My response: "I coach my team in one of two directions: Up or out. I don't make anyone quit. I give those that help the team succeed opportunities to grow. I coach up those that struggle to perform so they can help the team succeed. I cannot make anyone want to be responsible for their performance. I can however hold them accountable for it. Those that I held accountable left on their own."

There will be some attrition when new leadership comes in. That's just the way it is. I think because we are now in the season we are more likely to see it because there is more urgency. I wonder if Mangino coached Gannon out. Thus, in the long run it could be a good thing.

 

[FreeBorn]

I had a manager who once asked my how I don't have any "2" performers on my team (scale of 1-5 with 5 being the perfect employee).

My response: "I coach my team in one of two directions: Up or out. I don't make anyone quit. I give those that help the team succeed opportunities to grow. I coach up those that struggle to perform so they can help the team succeed. I cannot make anyone want to be responsible for their performance. I can however hold them accountable for it. Those that I held accountable left on their own."

There will be some attrition when new leadership comes in. That's just the way it is. I think because we are now in the season we are more likely to see it because there is more urgency. I wonder if Mangino coached Gannon out. Thus, in the long run it could be a good thing.

I've thought about why he quit for the last couple days. I honestly don't blame him. Isu was getting the better deal here. He was getting the short end of the stick by lending his talents to a horrible team when he could be out in the real world making an income. From what I understand, he'd already graduated.

I do understand the "he quit and nobody should ever quit" argument. However, I don't blame him at all if what I think is true in this situation. Having said that, I don't know the situation, so it's just a guess on my part.

 

[Tornado man]

I had a manager who once asked my how I don't have any "2" performers on my team (scale of 1-5 with 5 being the perfect employee).

My response: "I coach my team in one of two directions: Up or out. I don't make anyone quit. I give those that help the team succeed opportunities to grow. I coach up those that struggle to perform so they can help the team succeed. I cannot make anyone want to be responsible for their performance. I can however hold them accountable for it. Those that I held accountable left on their own."

There will be some attrition when new leadership comes in. That's just the way it is. I think because we are now in the season we are more likely to see it because there is more urgency. I wonder if Mangino coached Gannon out. Thus, in the long run it could be a good thing.

What? He was a starter - you know, one of the top linemen on the team?

 

[CloneIce]

This season has gotten depressing and we're not even to week 2 action

That is what sucks the most. This football season basically sucks already. Oh well, at least basketball will be good, and the Royals have been a blast to follow.

 

[CyStalker]

For those who think player attrition is some uncommon event you're flat out wrong. It's just more noted and speculated when a team is losing and down. Everyone likes to point fingers and speculate "what is so wrong with this teams chemistry, coaching staff etc". I'm not saying there isn't something going on, but we just don't know. Attrition happens to every team, even the winning power programs, but when you're winning people are more likely to overlook it.

I would be hard pressed to find any cyclone fan on this board that wouldn't think that Fred's basketball program is highly successful and lets face it WE LOVE THAT HE'S WINNING. If I'm not wrong, this is his 5th year of coaching and let me name some of his players that have left his SUCCESSFUL program. Railey, McNight, Sledge, Law, Gibson, Fowler and Okoro. I can't promise that this is all of them, just the ones that I was able to put pen to paper. Where's the "sky is falling" crowd then.......it's called WINNING. Some of those kids may have not liked Fred, but I think most leave for other reasons. Basketball has 13 shollies, football is 85 with total roster at about 100. Things don't always work out for kids for whatever reason. Just food for thought.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I wouldn't say it is beyond the realm of possibility Mangino 'coached him out'. This is part of the reason he was in trouble at Kansas. Comments like, and I'm paraphrasing from memory, 'You better play well or I'm going to send back to your brothas in the hood.' Mangino will either make you or break you. He has even said so before. In the end it's all just useless speculation. Kid quit, happens all the time.

 

[Tornado man]

I wouldn't say it is beyond the realm of possibility Mangino 'coached him out'. This is part of the reason he was in trouble at Kansas. Comments like, and I'm paraphrasing from memory, 'You better play well or I'm going to send back to your brothas in the hood.' Mangino will either make you or break you. He has even said so before. In the end it's all just useless speculation. Kid quit, happens all the time.

We have a head coach in Rhoads whom Mangino answers to. I'm sure that CPR is confident enough in his authority to make it clear to his assistants, in no uncertain terms, how players will be talked to, and treated. At least I would hope so...

 

[temperflare]

What? He was a starter - you know, one of the top linemen on the team?

True. But that lends to my point. Maybe Gannon didn't like being held accountable. Or, maybe because he is talented and experienced our coaches command a better performance and maybe even some leadership from him when the other senior man (Farniok) goes down. When a leader goes down, someone needs to step up and take his place.

Of course, all the above could be far from the truth and is just useless speculation anyway.