One thing I have to applaud today: After 3 OC and 6 years ISU finally lined up in the I, QB under center, FB in the game and ran.
Running out of the I!
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It is a nice change of pace for us but we cannot do w/ sustainability it as we are not built for it.
Outdated way of playing that could not thrive in today's Big 12. the game has advanced and is too athletic (in this league) to line up and smash the ball.
Yeah, the league is very athletic so we should go with finesse, out-run them, get in space and out-athlete them, with stuff they see every week. We should also try to make sure there are as many possessions as possible so that we can get a large sample size and let our superior talent come through.
The spread at one time was new and also gave you something different to look for in recruits than other programs. Not any more.
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ISU can not just run out of the I all the time, but it is nice to have that option on 3rd and 1, if it ever gets to the point that the read option to the short side of the field doesn't work.
You might want to send Bill Snyder a letter via snail mail and let him know that physical football can't win Big 12 games. IMO being a contrarian is a good thing. KSU is a unique practice week for Big 12 teams. Compare that to all the spread teams: ISU, BU, OSU, TT and OU
Maybe we should have tried it in the first half when we couldn't convert on 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1, AND then of course 4th and 1.
We run on the 2nd and 1 and get nothing... so then of course we go with two straight passes on 3rd and 4th, neither of which worked. I would like to know how many 2nd or 3rd's and one yard we haven't been able to convert this year alone? It's pathetic.
Offense CLEARLY cost us the game again today. Well, that and special teams obviously. I don't blame the defense at all for today. Yes, we gave up 31 pts, but only because the offense couldn't do a thing once again.
We run on the 2nd and 1 and get nothing... so then of course we go with two straight passes on 3rd and 4th, neither of which worked. I would like to know how many 2nd or 3rd's and one yard we haven't been able to convert this year alone? It's pathetic.
Offense CLEARLY cost us the game again today. Well, that and special teams obviously. I don't blame the defense at all for today. Yes, we gave up 31 pts, but only because the offense couldn't do a thing once again.
Agree. The play I remember had Syria in the up back position about two yards behind Sam under center, and we picked up about 3 yards with Syria on a quick hitter into the line. But I don't recall us running the ball out of that set any other times. But it seems like getting the ball carrier closer to the line of scrimmage with the qb under center makes a lot more sense in short yardage situations. We could also try a sneak with Sam behind Farniok, which we haven't tried all year. Sam tried a sneak against NDSU, but Farniok was already injured.
There were times when the backs ran right into the back of the line when 2 foot away there was an opening.
What, you mean imitating what teams that are superior to us athletically isn't a good idea?
Teams that have been successful in the past with inferior talent have always been different. Walsh's Stanford teams, Air Force in the 90s, Paul Johnson's Navy teams, Utah and Boise State in the 2000s.
Bill runs spread.
He uses I and pro-set tendency when they can in short yardage or due to match- up. How he uses Gronk is how we should have used Woody.
ISU would be at an even greater recruiting disadvantage if it goes back to the old stuff. No athlete from warm weather is coming here to run a set that does not showcase them in a league known for its wide open play.
Offense went up against two superior foes the past two weeks. It will look better moving forward.
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Let me know when ISU is in a position where they can recruit passers accurate enough to drive a WR-focused, precision passing offense.
Actually, let me know when they get their first one.
Build through the lines. -->efficient ground game-->play action passing.
ISU has more opportunities to recruit decent OLs, and/or develop one than it does to create an offense reliant on high caliber, out on the edge, skill players. That needs to be priority 1.
(Doesn't necessarily have to be I-formation if that makes you feel better)
Iowa State can't just change to using traditional sets and suddenly be more successful. Maybe over a couple years when it recruits for that then success would come, but it wouldn't be immediate. People need to understand Rhoads recruited for the spread. Switching to traditional sets would set everything back a couple years, which is why it was not an option for him to change offensive systems when Herman left, or when he let go of Mess.
It is too bad CPR did not use this logic when he was hired in 2008.
I think you are over-estimating our ability to get spread players. Recruited for it or not, guys are not exactly executing the spread right now either. Can it get worse than the offense preventing us from winning?
In CPR's defense, a lot of coaches change systems when they are hired. In the first couple of seasons too Herman went more run based. While still a spread, it utilized the downhill run game much more than we are accustomed to now and still worked to utilize the offenses strengths.
And things could get worse changing systems. Running the spread, there's at least a chance for improvement. Trying to run an I-formation with any consistency would not be a positive. It would maybe help in the aspect to put less pressure on Richardson for decision making but that would be it.
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Yes, but that usually is because a lot of coaches go with what they know. That makes sense. It is clear that is not the case in this transition.
you realize Calvin Johnson went to GT where they throw 7 times a game? I've said all along ISU should be something different and run power I football. o line because extremely easy to recruit, (olinemen love to run block) running backs want to come here to get 20 touches each a game, and you recurit 1 5 star WR and tell him he is s getting every ball we throw. Plus makes us hard to prepare for and the talent gap is closed with less time for the other team to score. I think we had a drive that took 27 sec. Yesterday with all this no huddle quick passes? Let's give the other team a water break and a chance to score again. Puts our D in terrible situations.
