Injuries: Bad luck or results of our recruiting styles?

[jaschealler]

Just for arguments sake why do you suppose we have been getting blasted with injuries especially to our two lines the past few years?

Is it purely bad luck, improper S&C regimen, or purely a result of our recruiting philosophy?

The argument can be made for all three. To me the main culprit would be our recruiting philosophy with some help from our S&C program. We are reaching for kids who have the height and reach desired for the lines but they lack the natural weight and build. This does not mean they do not have the frame to add the weight but rather there bodies just are not developed to this point yet or are more or less a couple value meals a day from being where the highly recruited players are.

Does adding all this weight along with such an aggressive S&C regimen in a short amount of time lessen the odds of a healthy career? These players bodies may have not been accustomed to the extra stress of 20 to 30 lbs or more along with the stress that comes with rigors of football.

Just some questions for debate. What are you opinions?

 

[GTO]

I can see the future! I knew this thread was right around the corner. "Players are getting injured, fire CPR".

 

[HandSanitizer]

Having about 10 guys out between Spring, summer and our first FCS game seems about right.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

There has got to be some part of it that is the S&C plan, but if it were possible to prevent reliably everyone would be doing it.

I'd say 3 parts bad luck 1 part some mysterious S&C thing.

 

[GTO]

Our current S&C program:

 

[jaschealler]

I can see the future! I knew this thread was right around the corner. "Players are getting injured, fire CPR".

Actually this was not the point of this post at all!

Simply discussion of whether or not trying to strike gold on a few of the undersized players with the frames of what we want is potentially contributing to increase of injuries versus going with the players who are maybe at the size already but maybe 2-3 inches short. Also to clarify I am not blaming S&C at all but just curious as to if trying to gain a lot of weight on a smaller BIG guy is harder on ligaments and the such that are not used to the weight. S&C can be more conditioning and prevention based or more pure lean mass base or some where in between.

 

[Luth4Cy]

I really wish somebody could find a list of number of starters who miss playing time throughout the season. It's possible we have more injuries than other programs, but until I see the numbers proving it I have to question whether it's true or not.

 

[GTO]

Actually this was not the point of this post at all!

Simply discussion of whether or not trying to strike gold on a few of the undersized players with the frames of what we want is potentially contributing to increase of injuries versus going with the players who are maybe at the size already but maybe 2-3 inches short. Also to clarify I am not blaming S&C at all but just curious as to if trying to gain a lot of weight on a smaller BIG guy is harder on ligaments and the such that are not used to the weight. S&C can be more conditioning and prevention based or more pure lean mass base or some where in between.

My apologies. Please disregard my comment. I think I'm just worn out by all the negativity on the other threads.

 

[Spam]

I can see the future! I knew this thread was right around the corner. "Players are getting injured, fire CPR".

Right. He should be fired whether players are getting injured or not.

 

[Spam]

Just for arguments sake why do you suppose we have been getting blasted with injuries especially to our two lines the past few years?

Is it purely bad luck, improper S&C regimen, or purely a result of our recruiting philosophy?

The argument can be made for all three. To me the main culprit would be our recruiting philosophy with some help from our S&C program. We are reaching for kids who have the height and reach desired for the lines but they lack the natural weight and build. This does not mean they do not have the frame to add the weight but rather there bodies just are not developed to this point yet or are more or less a couple value meals a day from being where the highly recruited players are.

Does adding all this weight along with such an aggressive S&C regimen in a short amount of time lessen the odds of a healthy career? These players bodies may have not been accustomed to the extra stress of 20 to 30 lbs or more along with the stress that comes with rigors of football.

Just some questions for debate. What are you opinions?

I blame the refs

 

[Wesley]

I blame the refs

This is the fault of the replay booth jerk.

 

[isuforlife]

WEIGHT PROGRAM?

 

[IcSyU]

Since it's been a multi-year problem I'd guess something is wrong with S&C. Especially with as many knee injuries as we've had I'd guess the upper leg or lower leg is being developed faster than the other part of the leg and therefore causing knee problems.

 

[cytown]

Two main reasons:

1) Some of it is just bad luck. Guys like Farniok and QB getting hurt. They are big and well trained. Just happens sometimes.

2) We have a young team with limited depth. Playing RS Fresh/Sophs or really any underclassman carries a ton of risk. They haven't had 3+ years S/C with yancy. Yet they are going out and competing against grown men on other teams (4 and 5 year seniors). I think of a guy like Campos. I'm actually surprised he hasn't had any issues yet. He is a big strong kid, but, he is still really young. Put him up against a 22 year old Big 12 defensive lineman and you can see where injuries could occur.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

I think its lack of balance in our speed work and strength work. James White got slower every year from his sophomore year to his senior year.

 

[Rabbuk]

I feel like we have a lot more knee injuries than a lot of teams, but no data to back that up besides a gut feeling.

 

[isufbcurt]

Just for arguments sake why do you suppose we have been getting blasted with injuries especially to our two lines the past few years?

Is it purely bad luck, improper S&C regimen, or purely a result of our recruiting philosophy?

The argument can be made for all three. To me the main culprit would be our recruiting philosophy with some help from our S&C program. We are reaching for kids who have the height and reach desired for the lines but they lack the natural weight and build. This does not mean they do not have the frame to add the weight but rather there bodies just are not developed to this point yet or are more or less a couple value meals a day from being where the highly recruited players are.

Does adding all this weight along with such an aggressive S&C regimen in a short amount of time lessen the odds of a healthy career? These players bodies may have not been accustomed to the extra stress of 20 to 30 lbs or more along with the stress that comes with rigors of football.

Just some questions for debate. What are you opinions?

I believe it is just bad luck.

I have witnessed guys putting on tons of weight under a different strength staff and injuries were not an issue.

I believe it is 1) bad luck and then 2) by putting younger guys on the field who are not physically ready yet it escalates the injury issue.

 

[Cyclone44]

Something else that I have wondered about, knee braces. Do we have the same brace as other schools? Are there better ones out there?

 

[Clonefan94]

I really wish somebody could find a list of number of starters who miss playing time throughout the season. It's possible we have more injuries than other programs, but until I see the numbers proving it I have to question whether it's true or not.

I don't have any numbers, but I would guess that we are probably on par with the rest of college football. The problem at ISU is that these become glaring problems because we don't have a whole roster of 4 star guys to just fill in the next spot. When a lineman goes down and our next best option is a Freshman, it partially says a lot of good about that Freshman, but also is a good indicator of how little quality depth we have on the line.

 

[Stormin]

I believe it is just bad luck.

I have witnessed guys putting on tons of weight under a different strength staff and injuries were not an issue.

I believe it is 1) bad luck and then 2) by putting younger guys on the field who are not physically ready yet it escalates the injury issue.

Sounds logical. And our injuries seem to be hitting different position groups more than others. Like wide receivers and Offensive Line especially. That makes them appear even worse IMO.

Terry Ayeni got hurt before he even got to ISU. How can anyone blame that on our S & C and on our staff? Injuries happen in football.