We've reached the McCarney point

norcalcy

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I would like to see a statistic on how many Power 5 head coaches have lost to an FCS team two years in a row. I would think CPR is the only one that is still employed that is in that category.

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With McCarney we could run the football. And we had a couple of NFL QBs too with McCarney.
 

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McCarney was a much better recruiter. His players weren't nearly as out of their league athletically compared to the competition as CPR's. The scores the last few seasons have been way more like Walden and Criner than they have been McCarney.
 

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I seem to recall every K-State, OU, Texas game in McCarney's years being just like today even in 2000 - The best season.
 

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Sadly, to me this has been looking like McCarney 2.0 for some time now, except it seems that there isn't going to be that one 9-win season...

Overly-emotional coach who can't translate that emotion into mental toughness on the field
Team constantly exhibits unsound fundamentals
Team constantly comes out not ready to play
Talent below the necessary level to compete in the Big 12
I got to say JBH this probably the most accurate post I have seen in a long time on this site
 

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McCarney was a much better recruiter. His players weren't nearly as out of their league athletically compared to the competition as CPR's. The scores the last few seasons have been way more like Walden and Criner than they have been McCarney.

It seems to me that McCarney coached teams at least competed each and every Saturday. They didn't always look great, but they competed. Some of these Rhoads' coached teams haven't even shown up, much less compete.
 
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McCarney was a much better recruiter. His players weren't nearly as out of their league athletically compared to the competition as CPR's. The scores the last few seasons have been way more like Walden and Criner than they have been McCarney.
I actually think Rhoads does alright getting some under the radar athletes in the secondary and the offensive skill positions. McCarney's teams lacked that quick twitch aspect in both those areas.

The thing McCarney did so much better was develop the offensive and defensive lines. The gap between what he put on the field and what Rhoads puts on the field is alarming.

It goes to show that the game is, as always, won in the trenches. That is why this team will not make the progress it needs to next year. McKnight has not been able to maximize any of the guys he has had in his time, and it wont start happening overnight.
 
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I actually think Rhoads does alright getting some under the radar athletes in the secondary and the offensive skill positions. McCarney's teams lacked that quick twitch aspect in both those areas.

The thing McCarney did so much better was develop the offensive and defensive lines. The gap between what he put on the field and what Rhoads puts on the field is alarming.

It goes to show that the game is, as always, won in the trenches. That is why this team will not make the progress it needs to next year. McKnight has not been able to maximize any of the guys he has had in his time, and it wont start happening overnight.

Yeah for a few years. Then Mac hired the Marty Fines and the Barney Cottons etc.
 

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Today was the earliest I have ever left an ISU game. There were probably 38,000 at kickoff. I think everyone has given up.
 

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I actually think Rhoads does alright getting some under the radar athletes in the secondary and the offensive skill positions. McCarney's teams lacked that quick twitch aspect in both those areas.

The thing McCarney did so much better was develop the offensive and defensive lines. The gap between what he put on the field and what Rhoads puts on the field is alarming.

It goes to show that the game is, as always, won in the trenches. That is why this team will not make the progress it needs to next year. McKnight has not been able to maximize any of the guys he has had in his time, and it wont start happening overnight.

Agree. McKnight never seems to get any criticism.

I'd rather have maulers on the OL like OU does than the TE looking guys like we have that can run super fast on treadmills.
 

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It doesn't seem complicated to me. It's the O line and D line. Both of ours got whipped unmercifully.
 

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McCarney's own success led to his downfall. Expectations got too high and frustration set in after coming so close to winning the North. It only took one bad season for the fanbase to turn on him. It would have been better to have kept him instead of hiring Chizik. Rhoads is in a similar situation although he hasn't had as much success. I think we should keep Rhoads until the end of next season and then evaluate the situation from there.
 

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Today was the earliest I have ever left an ISU game. There were probably 38,000 at kickoff. I think everyone has given up.
Emptiest I have seen in a couple years (excluding KU last season that was the coldest game ever). WV game will be fun and lonely.
 

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It seems to me that McCarney coached teams at least competed each and every Saturday. They didn't always look great, but they competed. Some of these Rhoads' coached teams haven't even shown up, much less compete.

Amazing what a few years removed will do to a guy's reputation. Mac beat some of the teams he should have, rarely by a sound margin. He lost to a lot of teams he shouldn't have lost to as well. And when we played Texas, OU, KState and Nebraska (The Nebraska before 2002) Those games all looked like today's did.

Mac teams didn't compete, they just had the luxury of playing Texas and OU only 2 out of 4 years.

If Baylor was what they are now and Nebraska hadn't taken a dump since 2002, no one would even remember Dan as an awesome coach. Listen, I met Dan a couple of times, he truly was a great guy, but let's not get out of hand here and start saying that his teams actually competed with the top of the league. That is in no way or shape the truth.
 

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Agree. McKnight never seems to get any criticism.

I'd rather have maulers on the OL like OU does than the TE looking guys like we have that can run super fast on treadmills.

That's on CPR. His plan was poor on offense. He needed s different approach on offense- scheme, coaching hires, recruiting.
 

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I have a hard time believing we can't find a few guys in Iowa that are 300+ pounds and strong.
 

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A little surprised that after we get blown out we start talking about Dan "Hawkeye" McCarney.

I'll give CPR until next year. Anything less than .500 and we start over. But before that happens, we really need to figure out why we don't have anybody within 5 yards of opposing receivers- it's just pitch and catch.
 

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It is possible for a program to turn around in one or two years and be successful, we've seen it in the B12. Not sure Paul is the guy to do it