Expansion

[HoopsTournament]

Issues with TV contract are very different this time. Before when looking to see if we wanted to add teams, it was to make sure that we could satisfy the minimum number of teams (and games) in the TV contracts. We were held a little bit hostage to the contracts. Also, to think about going 12, we needed teams that would increase the value because a title game was probably only worth about $10m 3 years ago. Today, it may be worth $40m, so who we add doesn't matter, as long as it is ONLY 2 teams.

 

[TykeClone]

That's not really by design for the SEC though.

Maybe not, but they had chances in the last couple of years to rebalance their divisions after expansion and chose not to do so.

 

[TykeClone]

Listening to ESPN radio this morning and they brought up a good point that the Big 12 should try to raid the the Big 10 since they have 14 teams.

Try to get a school that could benefit from the move:

Illinois
Purdue
Minnesota
Northwestern

Thoughts?

Illinois and Minnesota (for purely for ease of travel for ISU fans)

 

[Buster28]

Everyone in Kentucky watches Kentucky.

Except people who hate Kentucky. That's like saying everyone in Iowa watches (only) Iowa. Is Kentucky the bigger name? Yes. Are they the only game in town? No.

 

[ISUTex]

Will the Big 12 sit back with 10 teams after getting screwed in the CFP? Who are the reasonable candidates to get back to 12 teams?

Big 12 East

West Virginia
Cinncinati
Iowa State
K-State
Kansas
Okie State

Big 12 West

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Oklahoma

OU/Okie State proctected rivarly game. Or something like that. Maybe do a North/South

North

West Virginia
Cinncinati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
BYU

South

Texas
Tech
Baylor
TCU
Okie St
Oklahoma

Yeah, the South would be stronger, but does that matter? Look at the Big 10 West. ISU would have a better chance to win 6 games a year.

 

[cygrads]

If you want to poach from a major conference why not Missouri and Arkansas? Arkansas may be tired of fighting the tough SEC west and Missouri may be tired of the travel.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Missouri will not come back. They hate Texas with a passion. Not sure about Arkansas and LSU. Both would be absolute longshots. I prefer one of the Group of 5, just because ISU would have a better shot at winning 2 more football games each year.

Side note: Should this thread now be renamed Expansion 3.0? I think it has the potential to be another megathread.

 

[colbycheese]

Don't think it was mentioned here, but WRNL's morning dump had a link to an article from "Bring on the Cats" on both why the Big 12 should expand now, and what they thought the viable candidates were. It's an interesting read:

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2014/12/7/7350401/big-12-expansion-why-it-needs-to-happen-and-how

 

[TykeClone]

Don't think it was mentioned here, but WRNL's morning dump had a link to an article from "Bring on the Cats" on both why the Big 12 should expand now, and what they thought the viable candidates were. It's an interesting read:

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2014/12/7/7350401/big-12-expansion-why-it-needs-to-happen-and-how

So when we're told that Big 12 schools can expect $22 million a year in revenue and that any new members need to be worth something close to that in order to justify adding them... that's nonsense., because not having them is actually costing the league nearly an entire team's worth of revenue -- and that's not even counting the revenues to be gained from holding a conference championship game in the first place or the long-term and very real financial cost of being left out in the cold and eroded goodwill. These things add up, and the core mistake the Big 12 schools -- some of them, anyway -- have been making is to fail to look past the ends of their noses.

^^^^^^ - THIS

Two added teams don't necessarily need to be good. Just there.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

I can't see a world in which *today* Baylor, TCU, Texas, and Oklahoma are in the same division. That's all the heavyweights.

 

[guacamole7]

Illinois and Minnesota (for purely for ease of travel for ISU fans)

Can you list 1 benefit of one of those big10 teams moving to the b12? I can't think of one. The b10 is the best place to be imo.

 

[GTO]

I know people are against UCONN for some legitimate reasons, But we have a rivalry already and they have a national rep in Bball and they are close to ESPN for publicity. I think we need to go east for the league.

I would say that Texas has a rivalry with BYU in football after BYU wiped the floor with them two years in a row. We, of course, have our own rivalry with BYU in basketball after the whole eye-gouging, crowd flipping, letters to our AD, come from behind victory in Provo.

 

[scyclonekid]

I'm actually cool with Memphis and cincy coming good way to expand recruiting for us. I'm sure I am wrong to most of you.

 

[HoopsTournament]

The current heavyweights in the conference are Baylor, TCU and KSU. OU and UT are heavyweight names, but have not been heavyweights in this conference for a while.

The competitiveness of the divisions will not be the deciding factor. Baylor, TCU, Tech and OU all will want to be in UT's division. They will not vote for any other setup. OSU will want to be in OU's division. Any other setup will be voted no by the 6 of them. So you can try to come up with all of the divisional alignments you want, but in the end, it will be the Texas and Oklahoma schools in one and the rest in another.

Look at it from each school's perspective:

Texas and Oklahoma schools - They want as many games in Texas as possible
Northern schools - They would like to have 2 of those games off their schedule to increase chance of bowl game (or in KSU and WV case, chance of division title.)

So you can set up all of the scenarios you like, but it is what the schools want is what matters the most.

 

[TykeClone]

Can you list 1 benefit of one of those big10 teams moving to the b12? I can't think of one. The b10 is the best place to be imo.

Ease of travel for us. :wink:

 

[isuno1fan]

Not at all in favor of expanding our conference so we split into divisions. We have a good thing with the 10 team round robin.

I would be willing to take on 1 team and keep the RR. This way we play 5 home/5 away every year in FB instead of the 4/5 alternating schedule we have now.

Really want to keep away from divisions though.

 

[CarrollCyclone]

Can you list 1 benefit of one of those big10 teams moving to the b12? I can't think of one. The b10 is the best place to be imo.

Exactly.

Besides, the B10 has a grant of rights in place......and every power conference except the SEC does. So unless you can sweet talk an SEC team into leaving you need to look at a non power-five school.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Im surprised at this if true. They are a top 25-40 program in football and top 10 in bball. What about that is bad?

The only thing I can think of is the TV partners WANTED Louisville to go to the ACC to weaken the Big 12's position, hopefully pushing it closer to destruction.

 

[jdoggivjc]

If you want to poach from a major conference why not Missouri and Arkansas? Arkansas may be tired of fighting the tough SEC west and Missouri may be tired of the travel.

Missouri, Arkansas, and LSU are not tired of SEC $$$. Plus Missouri wants nothing to do with a Big 12 that continuously fellatios Texas.

 

[Bader]

Missouri, Arkansas, and LSU are not tired of SEC $$$. Plus Missouri wants nothing to do with a Big 12 that continuously fellatios Texas.

Arkansas has a much longer history with Texas and the flaming wreckage of the SWC keeping it away from the Big XII