Minnesota Vikings Draft Pick Prediction #11 overall
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One that pisses me off about this whole AP situation...
The Vikings, yes hold all the cards imo, but at some point (before the draft) they need to pick an identity. Are they going to draft a WR and build around Teddy or draft OL thinking AP is going to play? If they go the Gruley route, do they draft OL later and if so, is Mike Wallace going to help Teddy that much?
I've been going back and forth who I want at 11 and the more I think about it, drafting defense might be the way to go. First and foremost, the Vikes need to slow down Rodger and Stafford because even if the Vikes take a WR at 11 they still aren't going to outscore the Packers and Lions.
I realize the daft isn't just 1 round but in terms of wins, I think the Vikes will win more games next year drafting defense at 11. Then see that happens with AP and if he is back, get a cheep veteran to solidify the line and pray they are injury free.
The Vikings, yes hold all the cards imo, but at some point (before the draft) they need to pick an identity. Are they going to draft a WR and build around Teddy or draft OL thinking AP is going to play? If they go the Gruley route, do they draft OL later and if so, is Mike Wallace going to help Teddy that much?
I've been going back and forth who I want at 11 and the more I think about it, drafting defense might be the way to go. First and foremost, the Vikes need to slow down Rodger and Stafford because even if the Vikes take a WR at 11 they still aren't going to outscore the Packers and Lions.
I realize the daft isn't just 1 round but in terms of wins, I think the Vikes will win more games next year drafting defense at 11. Then see that happens with AP and if he is back, get a cheep veteran to solidify the line and pray they are injury free.
I think he is the most overated projected top 10 pick in the draft. He wasn't a dominant player in the 3-4 games/yr. I've seen. Even his Iowa State games were very average.
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Yeah, I agree with you. He didn't have a great year, imho, and then there he was winning the Outland Trophy. I was surprised. I'll give credit to Iowa for producing some really great lineman over the years, but Scherff never struck me as being dominant. I see him as a solid pro, but not a great one.
I'll defer to the coaches as to whether Scherff's any good - he is widely considered the best lineman, but I haven't watched enough. Still, I don't want us taking an OL at #11, especially with our DB needs. I expect there are a few D players Zimmer loves who he'd take at #11 (Dupree? Beasley? Gregory?), and maybe a WR or two, and, if already picked, I hope we trade back and take a CB later in round 1.
I think Scherff at G and as a backup LT is about as safe a pick that exists, but the question is can you get good guard play much much later in the draft? Spielman has never taken a G in the first 3 rounds iirc. Your payoff taking a G or two late and going after a more highly potential prospect might make more sense.
Question for you Vikes fans - What if they get to the eleventh pick and Randy Gregory is still on the board? Do you ignore the red flags and and roll the dice on the best edge rusher in the draft? He's dropping in most mock drafts due to his off field issues at Nebraska and for being underweight. Despite all the baggage, some team in the middle of the first round is going to pull the trigger. Pass rushers are too valuable.
Zimmer has a minimum weight for DEs around 260 or so I believe. That's the only real reason Robison is considered replaceable at all. I'd be shocked. He's not even close at under 230
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good question. Minnesota passed on Warren Sapp back in the day because of similar concerns. Instead they got a no-name D-end who didn't pan out. I don't think Zimmer would be scared off by that baggage. He's got history with that kind of thing from his time in Cincy. We'll see, though. Boom or bust pick, imho.
Here's the and height weight of every DE that played for Zimmer from 09 go 13 https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenPage/status/585805776637177856/photo/1
I think it'd be more likely they put him at OLB like Barr
I think it'd be more likely they put him at OLB like Barr
If lineman goes in the first 11, he should be in the All-Pro category. Scherff's a good player, not sure about an All-Pro talent.
And that lineman should be playing tackle, not guard. Too many needs IMO to draft a guard at 11.
Definitely. If nothing else Minny can use him as leverage if they know of a team that's interested in getting him. Maybe find a team desperate for pass rush help and see if they can squeeze a couple picks out of them to trade spots.
And it wouldn't be the weight that would scare me off. He's got the frame to add plenty of good weight. The issue is that he hasn't even been drafted yet and he's already in the league substance abuse program as a result of his failed drug test at the combine. Not a great sign.
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Scherff certainly has talent to be an all pro guard. Or he wouldn't be ranked in the top 10. Guards don't go that high without that kind of talent. There's certainly less risk taking a G, but the opportunity cost could be large.
Who would you take at 11 that would be this guaranteed all pro?
What are these needs that are worse than G? Their LG spot was atrocious last year. And nothing is more important than protecting Teddy.
You need too be careful taking a G this high but by no means does it make sense to rule out entire positions just because "you don't take Gs that high".
The Vikings aren't the Raiders or the Titans here. They have many crucial spots locked up and can afford to pick from wide base of players. DE, CB, ILB, WR, and S are all spots that are adequate but could easily be improved with a high pick. I'd say the only true weaknesses are OLB and G (and LT but they're not addressing that)
Well I started typing out how the OL will be serviceable this coming season but as soon as I typed Charlie Johnson and David Yankey I started laughing....
I realize the OL needs addressed...I just prefer later in the draft or via Free Agency.
Give me the best defensive player available at 11...Vic Beasley would be a dream and Trae Waynes would be more likely. IMO an edge rusher (Vic) or CB (Trae) need to be address before a guard (and thats at 11 I might add, I would feel different if we moved up or back in the 1st round).
At least Fusco is coming back at RG.
But yeah basically you have to hope Kalil can just be at least an average player this year and then grab a guard somewhere. But grabbing a guy like Scherff.... he's just a nasty, powerful huge, road grating dude. I don't think he's likely cut out for a tackle spot in the NFL and I think he was a bit over rated at LT in college, but dear lord he is essentially the perfect guard prospect, and he spent a lot of time hurt this year.
I'm just imagining a Kalil-Scherff-Sullivan-Fusco-Loadholt offensive line blocking for AD and Bridegwater throwing to Rudolph, Wallace, Johnson, and Patterson getting the ball somehow if he gets his **** together.
That would be quite the offense. And Zimmer can figure out the D.
Did this simulated draft thing on fanspeak.com and it wasn't great. I really would rather trade back in this spot. And have another couple picks to simulate Peterson leaving if I'm going to take an RB.
Also after round 4 I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
