Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[fsanford]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Why anyone would want to coach in the NBA is beyond me. I feel bad for coaches, I really do, handling the preferential treatment of star players from league/owners, balancing ego's of other players, star players looking at coaches with disdain, etc. I would have better luck teaching/motivating this bulldog how to play defense in the NBA than most players.

Same reason you want to coach any professional team over a college team.
You are coaching night in and night out against the best of the best, without have to deal with all the red tape the NCAA has to offer.

 

[EatemupISU]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Fred could easily make the fact that he doesn't want the job public if that's what he really wanted. I could write up a statement in 15 minutes that wouldn't be improper at all.

The fact that we don't know means that he wants the job and can't "accept" it yet, has accepted it but nobody can say, or he still hasn't made up his mind. If he knows he's coming back next year (not what I believe) then he's doing it wrong. Fred doesn't do many things wrong.

This is absolutely right. At this point, the silence tells you everything you need to know: Fred wants the Bulls job and will accept if offered.

Let's all hope he has a change of heart, but each day that passes with no word from Hoiberg makes me more and more pessimistic he will return.

 

[bawbie]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

It's not tearing him down. It's reality. He always went on and on about all the great things about being in Ames and if he leaves, those things weren't enough to satisfy his ego and desires. That's fine and I'm not saying it makes him a bad person or less loyal to ISU. I'm just saying the reality is that when it came down to it, those things weren't the most important things to him. You can't argue any other way. Also, I take back the semantics thing. You get one dream job. Until we are an NBA team, they can't be the same thing.

Regarding the bold, there have been a number of people in this thread that have said just that.

I'm just curious, and you didn't answer before: did you just ignore or not believe the talk about Hoiberg wanting a NBA job in the past? It's been discussed since basically he took the job here, including many times by Fred himself. How did you square that talk with your definition of "dream job"?

 

[BigBake]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Realize who we are talking about losing "The Mayor". He has more ties to isu and Ames then anyone else you could dream up. If he leaves after such a short stint and essentially using isu as a stepping stone I as a isu fan can be rightfully upset.

 

[Scott34]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

He gone

 

[Cyclonepride]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

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If #Bulls make coaching change, Fred Hoiberg WOULD accept the job if it were offered, a source who spoke to Hoiberg told me this morning.

Who the hell is that guy? Not going to pay that any heed until I know he's not some random bozo with a Twitter account.

 

[RustShack]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Who the hell is that guy? Not going to pay that any heed until I know he's not some random bozo with a Twitter account.

It's a random bozo.

 

[ozziecalcavecci]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

It is OK to be frustrated.

Other than success, I think we all loved Fred because he seemed like "one of us", being from Iowa, humble, former Cyclone. I don't know if this is the most appropriate way to state it, but the way this played out, the feeling is obviously not mutual. Fred has been elevated to near God like status around these parts, for him to just pack up and leave with so many goals, stated by him (Final Four, etc.) leaves a fan base that adored him feeling empty and somewhat betrayed. It's naive to not understand why he went, but as a Cyclone fan, it's ok to mad, frustrated or whatever you want to feel. Our program has been held hostage for weeks, we've lost recruits over that time, and now we will have a coach who has not been a head coach for even one game. I'll be the first to thank Fred for what he has done here, but the way this has been carried out will leave a sour taste in many mouths for quite a while, and personally will change the way I look back on the Hoiberg "era" (and I use that term loosely). Leave, ok, but we deserved a better outcome in how it was handled, and who will be taking over.

 

[BigBake]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I don't understand this line of attack.

Because you don't F over a school you called your dream job after such a short stint. His leaving F's us over big time.

 

[fsanford]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Who the hell is that guy? Not going to pay that any heed until I know he's not some random bozo with a Twitter account.

He works for Fox Sports.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Regarding the bold, there have been a number of people in this thread that have said just that.

I'm just curious, and you didn't answer before: did you just ignore or not believe the talk about Hoiberg wanting a NBA job in the past? It's been discussed since basically he took the job here, including many times by Fred himself. How did you square that talk with your definition of "dream job"?

I fully believed that he was interested in the NBA. I didn't believe ISU was his dream job and all of these things were so great that he wouldn't take a good NBA job. What I didn't count on and what has surprised me is how fast a good NBA job has become available. I fully realize Fred can't win if he leaves as well. No matter what, he's going to lose a part of Cyclone fans. Right now, I would say that I don't care if he ever comes back, but I also realize we are probably a little to close to the event and that in a few months my tune will change. It will definitely change if move back to mediocrity.

 

[Cydkar]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

This is absolutely right. At this point, the silence tells you everything you need to know: Fred wants the Bulls job and will accept if offered.

Let's all hope he has a change of heart, but each day that passes with no word from Hoiberg makes me more and more pessimistic he will return.

He could still be undecided. I doubt it but it's possible.

 

[fsanford]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Because you don't F over a school you called your dream job after such a short stint. His leaving F's us over big time.

Oh please, Note to Pollard never ever hire someone with ISU ties ever again because the butt hurt if they ever choose to move on to a better opportunity is beyond belief.

Oh the hell with it, lets fire Pollard while we are at it. He hired Hoiberg knowing up front Fred wanted to coach in the NBA someday. Pollard clearly screwed up this hire too.

 

[bawbie]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Because you don't F over a school you called your dream job after such a short stint. His leaving F's us over big time.

what is the appropriate amount of time that Fred owed us?

Leaving a program in the best position of it's history is a funny way to "F over" someone.

 

[dmclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I will be unhappy but I'll be happy for the time he spent here and the success he brought.

 

[1Nation]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Because you don't F over a school you called your dream job after such a short stint. His leaving F's us over big time.

Completely agree. Why so much defense of Hoiberg? It's not like he's been here for 20 years accomplished everything and is now moving on (IE Pitino leaving Kentucky for Boston or hell even Brad Stevens leaving Butler for Boston...2 title appearances).

Hoiberg's short stint here, zero conference titles and not getting past the sweet 16 indicate that this was a stepping stone the entire time. We are completely F'd beyond 2015/16 unless we hit the jackpot with some mid major or TJ promotion. Another big name is not coming to Ames, get that out of your head.

 

[ISU42]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Because you don't F over a school you called your dream job after such a short stint. His leaving F's us over big time.

We will be ok if he leaves.

 

[cycloneworld]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Fred could easily make the fact that he doesn't want the job public if that's what he really wanted. I could write up a statement in 15 minutes that wouldn't be improper at all.

The fact that we don't know means that he wants the job and can't "accept" it yet, has accepted it but nobody can say, or he still hasn't made up his mind. If he knows he's coming back next year (not what I believe) then he's doing it wrong. Fred doesn't do many things wrong.

I agree. Or he is once again using his position to leverage Pollard into more money. But even then you'd think he would privately be telling recruits he isn't going to the NBA.

There is no logical reason for him to not tell recruits what's going on...unless he is going to leave or seriously considering leaving. You don't hurt your recruiting ability if you don't intend on taking a job in the NBA. And we have confirmation that its impacting recruiting. So I believe there is little doubt he is strongly considering it or he is outright leaving.

 

[EnhancedFujita]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Not an attack, more a defense mechanism so i won't be so let down.

FWIW, i don't recall discussion of the nba being his dream when he was hired, it was all about isu being his dream. The nba talk started after his 2nd year.

 

[jbhtexas]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

We may be able to hire a really good coach who won't hamstring recruiting by constant NBA talk. It's a slim chance, of course.

At this point Fred staying, without long term affirmation of staying, may not be so good.

Agree with all, but not totally on the bolded. ISU got JO and TF. They were good coaches. LE may have been good long term as well, sans his alcohol problem. ISU has nice facilities and can afford to pay upper-end salary. Under normal circumstances, ISU should have a good chance to land a good coach. The problem now is the timing...it's getting very, very late...