Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

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LutherBlue

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Why not give TJ a chance? Do you honestly think that Iowa State is the place for top successful coaches come and end their career?

You want a coach that wants to be here, not the coach that wants to use Iowa State as a stepping stone.
False choice.

You want the coach who you think gives the program the greatest chance for success over the next 3-5 years. Everything else is secondary. If the program does so well the coach leaves, that is a much easier problem to address than finding a coach for a program that has backslid into mediocrity or worse.
 

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Doubt it's TJ and that JP would give too much weight to Fred's recommendation. You're kidding yourself if you think JP will listen to Fred's input on his successor. Dean Smith was the only one in recent memory that pretty much named his successor. Coach K will probably be the next one able to do that.

Shouldn't JP listen to the man that turned the program into a championship contender in five years.
 

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If it were less than 4 years we were waiting I'd want someone else. TJ just has virtually no experience in a successful program (other than juco), especially if you take Fred out of the equation. I'm also not sold on him as a recruiter without Fred to develop his guys. For all the credit he gets as a recruiter, his guys weren't living up to their expectations....until Fred came along. I LOVE the Fred/TJ combo but when you look at his resume, TJ has little success without Fred. Meanwhile....we didn't miss a beat when TJ departed.

I appreciate Fred's development of them, however you can't blame TJ for them not developing under McDermott. I blame McDermott in harming those recruits.
 

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Are u kidding? CPR. JP hired that guy who wants to be here for life and he's gone soon and not by choice.

Are you telling me Paul Rhoads will be fired because he wants to be here for life? If you are going to use him as a reason to NOT hire a coach that wants to be here, how do you ignore Chizik as an example of a coach that wanted to use ISU as stepping stone, but still failed miserably? His teams were still worse than Rhoad's worst team.

Whether a coach wants to move on from ISU or not doesn't really give us any idea if he will be successful here.
 

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Why not give TJ a chance? Do you honestly think that Iowa State is the place for top successful coaches come and end their career?

You want a coach that wants to be here, not the coach that wants to use Iowa State as a stepping stone.

Seems like the first line contradicts the second, we can't get a top coach to end his career here but we want a guy who wants to stay here? Sounds like you're okay with having a bad coach. I don't have any problem with coaches leaving ISU if they can maintain or improve things during their time here.

TJ could be fine, we just haven't seen much to prove that. When you look at the teams he's been a part of, his resume is pretty underwhelming. He coached on easily the worst ISU teams we've seen recently, same for his 2 years at UW. I just think he's a ways from being able to run a winning program. Heck, he's only coached 2 decent teams during his 10 years as an assistant.
 

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False choice.

You want the coach who you think gives the program the greatest chance for success over the next 3-5 years. Everything else is secondary. If the program does so well the coach leaves, that is a much easier problem to address than finding a coach for a program that has backslid into mediocrity or worse.

Exactly! So wouldn't you see if you can keep the current momentum going with a coach that was involved and knows the system?

If it doesn't work out THEN you hit the reset button and hire a new coach to rebuild.
 

isutrevman

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Seems like the first line contradicts the second, we can't get a top coach to end his career here but we want a guy who wants to stay here? Sounds like you're okay with having a bad coach. I don't have any problem with coaches leaving ISU if they can maintain or improve things during their time here.

TJ could be fine, we just haven't seen much to prove that. When you look at the teams he's been a part of, his resume is pretty underwhelming. He coached on easily the worst ISU teams we've seen recently, same for his 2 years at UW. I just think he's a ways from being able to run a winning program. Heck, he's only coached 2 decent teams during his 10 years as an assistant.

Based on what? Have you ever even met the guy?
 

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Derek Fisher is one of those stories that makes me dislike the NBA.

Guy is traded to Houston. Houston then has to try and convince him to report. Fisher doesn't want to report so the Rockets have to pay the guy and let him choose his own team.

For some reason that just rubs me the wrong way


And that's nothing compared to what he did to Utah. He is a bad guy who used his daughter's illness to throw shade at his being a puke
 

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Seems like the first line contradicts the second, we can't get a top coach to end his career here but we want a guy who wants to stay here? Sounds like you're okay with having a bad coach. I don't have any problem with coaches leaving ISU if they can maintain or improve things during their time here.

TJ could be fine, we just haven't seen much to prove that. When you look at the teams he's been a part of, his resume is pretty underwhelming. He coached on easily the worst ISU teams we've seen recently, same for his 2 years at UW. I just think he's a ways from being able to run a winning program. Heck, he's only coached 2 decent teams during his 10 years as an assistant.
Have to agree with this.
 

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Based on what? Have you ever even met the guy?
Did you ever meet Wayne Morgan? He was nice to a fault and was an assistant on some very, very good Syracuse teams. And yet most here say he couldn't coach a lick? So why should any here think that TJ could do better with his resume? Because he is a nice good ol boy who just loves ISU and is JP's buddy? Please....................see football.
 

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You apparently have...I'm basing on the fact that 8 of the 10 years he's coached, he's been a part of bad teams. He's either nothing special as a coach or just the most unlucky guy to ever give it a shot.

He's also not very old and has proven he has a natural eye for talent. As far as shaping that talent, who knows how much he learned from Fred?
 

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Why not give TJ a chance? Do you honestly think that Iowa State is the place for top successful coaches come and end their career?

You want a coach that wants to be here, not the coach that wants to use Iowa State as a stepping stone.

Coaches that want to be here have not turned out to be the best thing. (Unless Fred professes his undying love for ISU). I want a coach that wins and builds this program into a national power. If he leaves, I want the next one to continue the tradition.
 

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Did you ever meet Wayne Morgan? He was nice to a fault and was an assistant on some very, very good Syracuse teams. And yet most here say he couldn't coach a lick? So why should any here think that TJ could do better with his resume? Because he is a nice good ol boy who just loves ISU and is JP's buddy? Please....................see football.

Agreed. This is not a situation where you're bringing in a coach to change things up though. Should be trying to maintain and who is best suited for that?
 

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You apparently have...I'm basing on the fact that 8 of the 10 years he's coached, he's been a part of bad teams. He's either nothing special as a coach or just the most unlucky guy to ever give it a shot.

No, I haven't but you are predicting his coaching ability off little to no actual information. If Pollard hires him, it's because he ACTUALLY knows the guy and has seen how he coaches at practices and in games. Again, the Timberwolves sucked when Hoiberg worked in their front office. Do you blame him for that?
 

isutrevman

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Coaches that want to be here have not turned out to be the best thing. (Unless Fred professes his undying love for ISU). I want a coach that wins and builds this program into a national power. If he leaves, I want the next one to continue the tradition.

So what coaches that didn't want to be here have been so successful? Floyd?
 

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So, is this what has transpired?

1. Gar/Pax decide that they need to get rid of Tibs and hire Fred.
2. Jerry Reinsdorf says "Fine, but I'm not happy about paying two coaches for two years so try not to release him."
3. Gar/Pax decide they will trade Tibs but can't keep their mouths shut about it.
4. New Orleans shows interest in Tibs but figures "Why should we trade anything when they're going to release him anyway."
5. Tibs knows he may not be welcome back in Chicago and says, "I won't agree to be released from my contract (i.e. NBA coaches can't be traded. However, a second team can offer the first team compensation to release the coach from his contract. The coach would also need to agree to be released. From a practical standpoint, the coach would only do this if a new, comparable or better contract is already agreed to with the second team) unless I get additional compensation from the new team."
6. Gar/Pax floats a rumor that Orlando is willing to pay 7-9 million per year for Tibs. This is to try to trick New Orleans into agreeing to pay Tibs the money that he wants to be released.
7. New Orleans says, "I see your game. We're not paying him that much. We like Gentry about as much and we won't have to pay him 7-9 million per year."
8. In the meantime, Flip Saunders wants to hire Fred but either wants to coach for one more year or Glen Taylor says, "I've lost some money these last few years and don't want to pay a coach and GM when I already have one guy that can do both." Or maybe Fred says, "I don't want to coach this young roster now but give them another year of development and I will consider it."

Chicago and Minnesota are the two teams that Fred would consider working for due to several reasons.

Chicago
1. Work for a close friend in Gar Forman
2. Relatively close proximity to relatives, in-laws and friends in Ames
3. Roster that is ready to compete at a very high level at this time.
4. Probably greater pay than the Minnesota job.
5. Comfort level from having lived there for four years.

Minnesota
1. Work for a close friend in Flip Saunders
2. He gets along well with Garnett who will be with the Timberwolves for the next couple of years in some capacity.
3. Young roster with potential but will need developing over the next couple of years.
4. Closest proximity to relatives, in-laws and friends in Ames.
5. Wife's best friend lives in the Twins Cities lessening her anxiety about uprooting the kids from school. If Mama ain't happy ain't nobody happy.
6. Comfort level from having lived there for several years.

This is my overblown theory about what has transpired so far. Go ahead and rip.

I believe they still own their house in Minnesota too.
 

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Why not give TJ a chance? Do you honestly think that Iowa State is the place for top successful coaches come and end their career?

You want a coach that wants to be here, not the coach that wants to use Iowa State as a stepping stone.

I want a coach that can win. If a coach's whole desire is to spend their career in one spot, they're either a lifer with real connections to that place or a mediocre (at best) coach who knows that's his only shot.
 

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TJ is not going to be the next HC folks. TJ is a recruiter and replaced Matt A. TJ wouldn't be here if Mullin weren't hired at SJ. TJ will be retained though. Just look at JPs recent comments on the difference of the program today compared with just 5 years ago..night and day. JP has some money to throw around as well (Ty new TV deal and no it's not going toward the new SEZ we are repaying that at almost no interest over 20 years). JP has a top 10 roster, A TOP 15 program and sell out crowds every night..to sell to a lot of prospective coaches..big 12..ESPN every game..etc.. If you think ISU can't attract a decent replacement then I can't help u and after all the said if u think it's going to be a guy who has zero HC experience you will be surprised then. Heck Mann is more qualified..he's been with Fred longer and is more involved with game prep than TJ has been.
 
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