Does the legacy of the "mayor" change after this?
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The fact virtually any nba job seems to be more of an interest than ISU basketball to him at this point sours my opinion. May be selfish on my part, but ISU gave him his "dream job" with no coaching experience and he leaves after year 5 on the aftermath of one of our worst losses in tourney history. Almost seems like his mind might have already been off the goal at hand. And if our replacement drags us back to McDoormat years again, it will be inductive of what ISU sports has been, is and will be. A stepping stone with a few decent years. And Fred would be a part of the mediocrity.
In terms of legacy, the Mayor is leaving way too early. He could have been an icon. He is not an icon because you need longevity to achieve that status. Fred is at a level of achievement like that of LE or slightly better. A few years of very good success and then he moves on.
We are left with good memories. At the same time we are left with unfulfilled empty promises. And a broken heart. If the Mayor won't even stay at Iowa State, after expressing the sentiments that he previously expressed. After being given an opportunity that no one else would give him when he started out at this level. Then what can Iowa State expect in the future?
Evidently the dream of bringing a National Championship to Iowa State is much further down the list of Fred's personal dream of coaching in the NBA. And it is difficult to accept that the only reason Fred is leaving because his NBA "dream job" is available......when we find out that he has already interviewed for the Orlando Magic Coaching Job. Fred's plan has always been to leave......for wherever.
We are left with good memories. At the same time we are left with unfulfilled empty promises. And a broken heart. If the Mayor won't even stay at Iowa State, after expressing the sentiments that he previously expressed. After being given an opportunity that no one else would give him when he started out at this level. Then what can Iowa State expect in the future?
Evidently the dream of bringing a National Championship to Iowa State is much further down the list of Fred's personal dream of coaching in the NBA. And it is difficult to accept that the only reason Fred is leaving because his NBA "dream job" is available......when we find out that he has already interviewed for the Orlando Magic Coaching Job. Fred's plan has always been to leave......for wherever.
It's pretty pathetic how fast people can turn their backs on a Cyclone legend because they realize he may not want to coach here for the next 30 years.
Not everyone is a Coach K or a Jim Boeheim, people want different things for their career. Just because a coach doesn't stay with a school forever doesn't mean he's just using his previous jobs as stepping stones, although I don't know why that's considered a bad thing, people move from job to job all the time. People here are acting like their girlfriend broke up with them, get over it, as attached as you may be to the school this is still just a business. People will come and go.
Not everyone is a Coach K or a Jim Boeheim, people want different things for their career. Just because a coach doesn't stay with a school forever doesn't mean he's just using his previous jobs as stepping stones, although I don't know why that's considered a bad thing, people move from job to job all the time. People here are acting like their girlfriend broke up with them, get over it, as attached as you may be to the school this is still just a business. People will come and go.
I think the Orlando story is just like the "Fred to Bulls not a done deal" story. It's simply a negotiating tactic.
There's been a pattern to these stories. Typically, they fall into two categories: Fred's plan has always been to coach the Bulls or Fred is/has been exploring his options including staying at ISU.
These stories, imo, are nothing more than a public conversation between the Bulls front office and Fred's agent.
I still believe Chicago is the end game it's just a matter of how much.
My opinion is he isn't going to be coaching anywhere in two to three years.
Break the bank in the NBA then be in Boca or Scottsdale by the time he's in his late forties.
The health issue is behind all of this.
We're the only institution that would ever have hired him with zero coaching experience, so he planned this out pretty well. It was clearly a stepping stone, but we got a lot out of it too so no hard feelings. Next man in.
And if he had come out and said that three weeks ago the tailgates would have been a bittersweet, well received farewell tour. His silence is making this what it is.
Fred's previous comments are the thing that is impacting his leaving.
You used the example of the girlfriend. Well, you chose the girlfriend when no one else wanted her. You loved her. She loved you. She professed her undying love for you. And told you how it was her "dream" to stay with you forever. You did everything you could for her. You dressed her up and made her even more beautiful. So beautiful and desirable that now everyone wants her. And now that she is beautiful and everyone wants her, she simply says good-bye, it's over. I have decided that I do not want to be with you anymore. Disregard my previous comments that I loved you and wanted to marry you and be with you forever. I have other options now.
Do you think maybe that talking publicly about contract negotiations with maybe multiple parties one of them including ISU might be a dumb idea?
Too many people acting like Fred Hoiberg owes us fans something. He never had to come back to ISU in the first place, and not only did he come back, he gave us an incredible 5 years, accomplishing things no ISU coach ever accomplished.
Yes, Hoiberg probably intended to stay at ISU longer before seriously considering the NBA. Guess what - 2 heart surgeries in 2 years make one reconsider what they want to do with their life, and perhaps this is Hoiberg's last chance to take an NBA job before his health starts getting away from him.
I swear, if something had gone wrong with Hoiberg's heart surgery earlier this year, a number of posters on this site would be kicking their dogs because Hoiberg dared die on them. Hell - they'd probably kick their dogs if Hoiberg decided to stay 30+ years and win multiple championships because he dared retire.
Deep down Cyclone fans are no different than the other fans of other teams that we all like to mock.
I use the girlfriend analogy because it's stupid and it's how people are acting. Fred is not our girlfriend, it's ridiculous that people are taking this personally like Fred didn't want them. Fred wanted the job, he got the job, he did the job admirably, and now he may want another job. The same is true for millions of other people in any given field. Be glad that he took the job, be happy that he did the job so well, and now at least don't be a complete ******* when he might want to look for another job.
If people thought that Fred was ISU's Coach K and that he'd be here forever that's on them, I suggest not to make the same mistake with the next coach because newsflash, there aren't many Coach K's out there.
Will it affect his legacy - yes. Will it affect ISU's legacy - minor blip on the register - more significant than Floyd but only because he is an alum.
Fred made certain comments concerning Iowa State.....that he should not have made then. Fred always said that Iowa State was his "dream job".
It wasn't evidently. Fred got what he wanted. We had a good run with Fred. But the reality is that our love for Fred is not reciprocated. Iowa State is NOT his dream job. His dream is NOT to win a National Championship for Iowa State. His dream is NOT to be at Iowa State forever.
What is on Fred is that he told us that we were all those things to him. That is what hurts. It is the comments he made that ISU was his dream job and his dream was to bring a national championship to ISU and that he would be content to stay at ISU forever. THAT is what hurts.
If his intent all along was to coach a few years, pad his resume on the back of his university, and then jump to the NBA (was that his intent all along?), then he's been taking ISU for a ride for longer than "the last few weeks." Didn't Hoiberg, by the way, approach Pollard and request that JP take a chance on him?
Frankly, Pollard is culpable in this as well. Hiring someone whose goal is to jump to the next level at the first opportunity isn't my definition of building program stability. And if JP didn't know this was FH's goal, then he didn't do his due diligence during the hiring process.
Followed Fred's career from high school to today. He has been nothing but a class act, and a great representative of ISU. I will continue to cheer for him. The last 5 years have been a great ride...the magic is back. I wish nothing but the best for Fred. My heart wants him to stay at ISU forever, but that needs to be his choice. Now let's continue to be true fans and support the new coach and the players who give everything for ISU! Go State!
His legacy doesn't change, it just remains incomplete. Thanks for what you've done here CFH - both as player and during the past 5 years - just wish it would have lasted longer so that you could make good on your "promise" that a Final Four banner would be hanging from the Hilton Rafters.
It changes for me. It's too short of a time frame to have been here. I feel like he of all people would understand how important it is to be here for a longer term to build a better foundation. Unfortunately, this job was basically a stepping stone for him and his career.
