One of those options is the Orlando Magic. Met him in a dive bar after he was released from prison.:twitcy:
Does the legacy of the "mayor" change after this?
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One of those options is the Orlando Magic. Met him in a dive bar after he was released from prison.:twitcy:
LE did have more success. But LE left our program in worse shape then what Fred is leaving.
I don't think most fans are upset about him leaving, people will get over that in the long term, if they are. Its the manner this has went down and all the info coming out now on his actions the last few months to do anything at any cost to get to the NBA.
IMO, it doesn't tarnish his "legacy". He gave us 5 good years, brought some of the Hilton Magic back, gave us some great wins, and also was a class act as a head coach the entire time (unlike Fran for instance).
However, it does change my view of him as a person somewhat.
I thought he was "one of us", and he isn't.... he's just like any other head coach (Calipari, Saban, etc) who is mostly in it for themselves. We all knew he would leave someday for the NBA, I just didn't think it would be before he accomplished really any of his goals he set forth when he came here.
And never in my wildest nightmares did I ever think he would leave before Niang, Naz, Morris, etc finished their careers here. These were "his guys". These are the guys that did all the work to get Fred's name even mentioned as a candidate for a head coaching job in the NBA. These are the guys that put everything on the line for Fred day in and day out to get to where they all wanted to get.
Heck, Niang even came back for his senior year because there was unfinished business. I NEVER thought Fred would even consider leaving before this "unfinished business" was completed. Which brings me to my next point... Fred is not this super "competitive" guy we've all been told he is either. A super competitive guy would not go out with a horrible loss in the first round to UAB in which you were clearly outcoached badly. A super competitive guy would not leave before accomplishing really any of his goals. And he would definitely not leave guys like Niang, Naz, McKay, Morris, Thomas, etc hanging like this and quitting on them.
So Fred's legacy IMO is not really damaged because he's always done good things for ISU as a ball boy, player, and now head coach, however, my view of him as a person has definitely changed for the worse. It bothers me a LOT to say it, but he's just like every other greedy head coach out there that only thinks about himself and his needs. And that is sad.
We all thought Fred was different in that sense, but it turns out that he isn't. I think his ego has gotten the best of him. I fear for the decision he's making too. IMO, it's not going to turn out well for him. I'm not sure if he's aware of what he's getting into. People in Chicago could care less about Fred Hoiberg. You will not be worshipped there like you were in Ames. You're just another head coach trying to live up to Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan in Chicago. Good luck with that. They will chew you up and spit you out at the first chance.
I hope Fred is considering retirement soon because that's probably where he's headed in the next few years. NBA coaches last fewer than 4 years on average. And I hope ISU doesn't bring him back someday either anymore.
However, it does change my view of him as a person somewhat.
I thought he was "one of us", and he isn't.... he's just like any other head coach (Calipari, Saban, etc) who is mostly in it for themselves. We all knew he would leave someday for the NBA, I just didn't think it would be before he accomplished really any of his goals he set forth when he came here.
And never in my wildest nightmares did I ever think he would leave before Niang, Naz, Morris, etc finished their careers here. These were "his guys". These are the guys that did all the work to get Fred's name even mentioned as a candidate for a head coaching job in the NBA. These are the guys that put everything on the line for Fred day in and day out to get to where they all wanted to get.
Heck, Niang even came back for his senior year because there was unfinished business. I NEVER thought Fred would even consider leaving before this "unfinished business" was completed. Which brings me to my next point... Fred is not this super "competitive" guy we've all been told he is either. A super competitive guy would not go out with a horrible loss in the first round to UAB in which you were clearly outcoached badly. A super competitive guy would not leave before accomplishing really any of his goals. And he would definitely not leave guys like Niang, Naz, McKay, Morris, Thomas, etc hanging like this and quitting on them.
So Fred's legacy IMO is not really damaged because he's always done good things for ISU as a ball boy, player, and now head coach, however, my view of him as a person has definitely changed for the worse. It bothers me a LOT to say it, but he's just like every other greedy head coach out there that only thinks about himself and his needs. And that is sad.
We all thought Fred was different in that sense, but it turns out that he isn't. I think his ego has gotten the best of him. I fear for the decision he's making too. IMO, it's not going to turn out well for him. I'm not sure if he's aware of what he's getting into. People in Chicago could care less about Fred Hoiberg. You will not be worshipped there like you were in Ames. You're just another head coach trying to live up to Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan in Chicago. Good luck with that. They will chew you up and spit you out at the first chance.
I hope Fred is considering retirement soon because that's probably where he's headed in the next few years. NBA coaches last fewer than 4 years on average. And I hope ISU doesn't bring him back someday either anymore.
Did you miss the Larry E years?
ISU never needed to hire him either. They could have hired a guy like Lon K who wanted the job and is at that point in his life where it could have been his last job. I guess when you only interview one guy for the job things like this happen.
Randy Petersen really missed it on this article concerning Fred after surgery.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...erg-surgery-watershed-moment-career/25879577/
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...erg-surgery-watershed-moment-career/25879577/
He left some good players. Sure he didn't leave a top 10 team but he did leave the program in better shape for 3 years down the road than Fred is leaving.
Yea, he kind of missed the fly off to Orlando to interview during recovery while sending JP and Otz on the tailgate tour to answer for you.
Not very many good players. He had a potential incoming class that was pretty good that had been recruited by Morgan. Those recruits more or less said that Morgan becomes coach or we are not coming. Morgan became HC, And Stinson and Blalock came to ISU. Otherwise they were going to go somewhere else. We had Jake Sullivan and Homan and that was about it.
I swear to God if Hoiberg's statement includes a hashtag I officially quit life.
Everyone keeps saying Fred doesn't owe us anything. True, but we don't owe him anything either. Can't for the life of me understand why people are so fine with being irrelevant. Why are you so fine with watching what could have been a change to a top 10 overall program erased because your coach would rather coach at any NBA team while other colleges with top 10 programs retain their coach for countless years.
Bitterness is understandable and expected if you value success at ISU. Fred was our chance to change ISU history and even the golden boy with 0 coaching experience coming in was ready to move on in year 4/5.
It hurts
Bitterness is understandable and expected if you value success at ISU. Fred was our chance to change ISU history and even the golden boy with 0 coaching experience coming in was ready to move on in year 4/5.
It hurts
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I understand being upset, but to begrudge Fred his dream I don't understand. Considering where we were at before him, our current status is a near miracle. He has done more than enough for ISU.
I am a long time reader on this site but this is my first post that I can remember.
I don't know if it will affect his legacy. But it will dramatically change what I think about him. I will always think of him as a great player for the Cyclones. And I will think of him as good coach, not a great coach. As an offensive coach he has been outstanding. But all of his teams have been poor defensively and at rebounding. I think that would have likely improved had he stayed.
But the thought of him going to the NBA at this time strikes me as incredibly dumb on his part for two major reasons. First, he has a responsibility to his family. With his two youngest kids in junior high, if I were him I would consider Ames/Gilbert to be a much better place to finish raising them than either Chicago or Minneapolis. And, considering his health circumstances, I think it is almost irresponsible to subject himself to the NBA stress before his kids are through high school. The NBA would still be there in 6 years and he would still have a lot of good years left as a coach.
Second, from the Cyclone perspective, as an alum and past great player, he has (had) the opportunity to bring the Cyclones to the elite level like Coach K has done with Duke. His success has indeed brought good notoriety to our program but it is not yet sustainable by the next coach. When I think about this lost opportunity that was so close we as fans were beginning to taste it, I get ****** big time. And it will ALWAYS affect how I think of him.
I agree. People forget that LE didn't WANT to leave ISU. He wasn't seeking any other job he could get. We FIRED him. I am still wishing BVD would have given LE a sabbatical to get his **** together and let WM coach the team until he returned.
I truly think we could have had REAL sustained success with LE coaching and WM recruiting. Look at the players we had coming in when LE was fired...
In no way shape or form is Fred leaving the PROGRAM in a better position than what LE had going... despite his drinking.
I appreciate all he has done for ISU as a player and a coach. He has built us up to a top 15-20 level program after the McDermott nightmare. The last four years have been a heck of a ride.
I am however pretty annoyed by how this situation has turned into a soap opera and it makes me look a little differently at Fred. I know a lot of other ISU fans who feel the same.
I am however pretty annoyed by how this situation has turned into a soap opera and it makes me look a little differently at Fred. I know a lot of other ISU fans who feel the same.
