Expansion

[isucy86]

Re: Good Read

As a fan, this just seems incredibly boring to me. It'd be basically the same schedule every year with 10 conference games, two creampuffs or rivalry games. Determining at large bids would be more impossible than it already is. I'd love to see 16 team conferences, division champs determined in an 8 team round robin, 1 cross division game, 1 required game against another power conference team, 1 rivalry game, and 2 more games to schedule as desired. It's sad to me that as it currently stands, ISU will never play a power 5 team from a neighboring state ever again.

Not sure how adding 1 more conference game all of a sudden makes the schedule boring. I would rather have another conference game than anon-con game against UNI or Toledo. I also use the term conferences loosely. Maybe a better term is divisions, that are reshuffled every 2 years to maintain competative balance. The divisions would be geographically based, so ISU's road games might be Minnesota, Nebraska, Mizzou, Iowa or Northwestern. I would also see an end to conference TV contracts for FB. Have a single contact with different networks and the money is split evenly, with a bonus going to Nationally televised gams.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Re: Good Read

Not sure how adding 1 more conference game all of a sudden makes the schedule boring. I would rather have another conference game than anon-con game against UNI or Toledo. I also use the term conferences loosely. Maybe a better term is divisions, that are reshuffled every 2 years to maintain competative balance. The divisions would be geographically based, so ISU's road games might be Minnesota, Nebraska, Mizzou, Iowa or Northwestern. I would also see an end to conference TV contracts for FB. Have a single contact with different networks and the money is split evenly, with a bonus going to Nationally televised gams.

It's not that much worse than right now but in my opinion the current schedule is much worse than ISU's schedule from the 80s and early 90s and it just seemed like another step in the wrong direction to me. I could get on board with reshuffling although that opens up a lot of challenges like who makes the decision, what about rivalries, etc.

 

[theshadow]

Re: Good Read

Have a single contact with different networks and the money is split evenly, with a bonus going to Nationally televised gams.

The old Big 12 TV deal had a pay-per-appearance component, divided into "national" and "regional" tiers. So, the schools that were on TV every week (NU, OU, UT) got a bunch more $$$ than those that weren't (ISU, BU, KU). That worked out well.

 

[Stormin]

Another article on the ineffectiveness of the Big 12's GOR. Not to mention it lacks termination or damage clauses.

http://sportspolitico.com/2015/02/16/will-grant-of-rights-protect-big12-from-future-raids/


"It’s an assumption that schools like Iowa State can somehow force Oklahoma to remain in the league. It’s a flat out terrible philosophy because:
1) The best-case scenario is that you force the school to stay in the conference, but in doing so create an unfavorable environment. Relationships have been strained beyond repair. Members are still active but uncommitted to a strong viable agenda. Decisions can’t be made, trust has been destroyed, and the hostility has a reverberating effect causing membership to be even more inclined to cut ties with the conference.
2) If a university has already decided it wants to leave, it will leave regardless of what happens next. The benefits of leaving for a new P5 greatly outweigh the consequences of mounting a massive legal battle against the Big 12. You can’t force a school to stay in a conference it doesn’t want to be a member of. If a University is willing to initiate the process of walking out, it has already decided the path it will take and will act according. The University will follow the philosophy of “a contract is only as strong as my lawyer†fighting tooth and nail until their old conference eventually gives in.
For both of these reasons, sooner or later the Big 12 will realize that they are better served if they simply cut ties rather than trying to retain the school.
The GOR won’t be able to hold the conference together. If the Big 12 stays intact over the coming years it will do so because the other P5 schools were either unwilling to invite a Big 12 member outright, or the P5 conference in question did not offer terms that the prospective Big 12 member found acceptable. This could be for example, Oklahoma refusing to join the SEC without Oklahoma State, or Texas refusing to join the Pac-12 without the Longhorn Network."

Schools would be free to leave if they want. They just don't get any proceeds from any TV deals for their games. That goes to the conference with the GOR.

Iowa State is in far better position today than we were prior to revenue sharing and the GOR. The GOR and the ensuing damages that would be incurred from leaving the conference would be certain financial disaster for any school leaving.

 

[CyFan61]

I think Boren will shut up quickly about expansion after the Big 12 gets in the playoff this fall and continues to do well with March Madness selections. The conference has exactly no disadvantages with 10 members. Devaluing the Big 12 by adding also-rans like Cincinnati or UCF would accelerate the conference's demise.

If the Big 12 does miss out on the playoff? Play a conference championship game with a 10-team conference. You can do that.

 

[Stormin]

I think Boren will shut up quickly about expansion after the Big 12 gets in the playoff this fall and continues to do well with March Madness selections. The conference has exactly no disadvantages with 10 members. Devaluing the Big 12 by adding also-rans like Cincinnati or UCF would accelerate the conference's demise.

If the Big 12 does miss out on the playoff? Play a conference championship game with a 10-team conference. You can do that.

Having a conference championship game would not have made any difference last year.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Having a conference championship game would not have made any difference last year.

And having a championship game won't matter outside of extra money for the conference. The only way we'll get Big 12 teams into the playoffs is if either 1. Texas or Oklahoma win the conference, or 2. the playoff expands to 6 or 8 teams.

 

[CyFan61]

Having a conference championship game would not have made any difference last year.

But having Baylor and TCU play Cincinnati would have vaulted them in? What's your point?

 

[CyFan61]

The only way we'll get Big 12 teams into the playoffs is if either 1. Texas or Oklahoma win the conference, or 2. the playoff expands to 6 or 8 teams.

I'd bet a large sum that the Big 12 has a team in the 2015-16 playoff.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I'd bet a large sum that the Big 12 has a team in the 2015-16 playoff.

So you're expecting Texas or Oklahoma to win the conference this year?

 

[Mesaclone1]

So you're expecting Texas or Oklahoma to win the conference this year?

An unbeaten TCU or Baylor is guaranteed in the playoffs...as would ANY unbeaten Big 12 school. Most years, ANY one loss Big 12 team will be a shoe in...we nearly had two make it this past season. OU/UT with one loss ARE a shoe in.

 

[RustShack]

It's so funny how delusional some people are. I guarantee no school leaves the Big12 while the GOR is in place.

 

[CyFan61]

So you're expecting Texas or Oklahoma to win the conference this year?

No, I'm saying you're wrong, as any 12-0 Big 12 team would make it, and an 11-1 team probably would, too.

It took an undefeated defending champion from the weakest conference and two big name teams from the other weaker conferences (including one with like a 70 point win in their conference title game) to keep the Big 12 out this year. The overreactions related to that in projecting the future have been ridiculous.

 

[RustShack]

The dominoes just didn't fall for the Big12 last year. Just like they won't fall for another conference next year and in the future. However the Big12 is the most likely to get two teams in, if a conference ever does. What will your reaction be then?

 

[drednot57]

If expansion occurs, I'm not in favor of a conference spanning three time zones. Expand either East or West, but not both. If expanding East to give WVU a "bridge" to the rest of the conference, pick two from the following: U of Cincinnati, U of Memphis, UCF, ECU, or Tulane. If expanding West, give WVU its release, then pick three from the following: BYU, CSU, SDSU, Boise State, U of Wyoming, or Fresno State. The ten listed schools are the best candidates for conference expansion, IMO. The only other hope is a few members of the ACC become disgruntled and start casting their eyes elsewhere.

Just my two cents towards this conversation.

 

[FarminCy]

If expansion occurs, I'm not in favor of a conference spanning three time zones. Expand either East or West, but not both. If expanding East to give WVU a "bridge" to the rest of the conference, pick two from the following: U of Cincinnati, U of Memphis, UCF, ECU, or Tulane. If expanding West, give WVU its release, then pick three from the following: BYU, CSU, SDSU, Boise State, U of Wyoming, or Fresno State. The ten listed schools are the best candidates for conference expansion, IMO. The only other hope is a few members of the ACC become disgruntled and start casting their eyes elsewhere.

Just my two cents towards this conversation.

I think someone needs a refresher on time zones.

 

[weR138]

It's so funny how delusional some people are. I guarantee no school leaves the Big12 while the GOR is in place.

Also, I certainly the hope the forgotten 5 learned lessons and have plans in place to unload politically and legally on UT/OU if we have to . For KSU and ISU P5 inclusion is absolutely vital.

 

[ISU42]

I think someone needs a refresher on time zones.

To be fair he said he wasn't in favor of the conference spanning three time zones. He wants every time zone.

 

[KnappShack]

To be fair he said he wasn't in favor of the conference spanning three time zones. He wants every time zone.

Let's throw caution to the wind and add Hawaii to the conference too. The sun never sets on the Big 12

 

[Stormin]

I think someone needs a refresher on time zones.

He stated....."If expanding West, give WVU its release.