REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[Clonefan32]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

When wasn't it in the ground? And what ISU AD has done better than one for four?

Pollard has to be feeling heat. Huge financial investments, a tanking program, an unconscionable contract for our coach. Flat out, the guy can't take much more bad press.

 

[keepngoal]

The fact that CW would allow the title to be edited to add refuted says everything about this story.

Or I edited as some where reading the first post, replying and it was a distraction after the thread was 40+ pages long.

So, it isn't a fact, now is it?

 

[SpokaneCY]

Exactly my thought. There were a lot of points in the article. 1 guy tells the overall story. Then ask all the players separately if they had to check out early in Hawaii. Several say yes, 1 says yeah and I slept on my luggage in the ballroom. Bang there are a few more sources and a quote. Ping another person about whether they think Fred and Pollard got along. Someone says no I don't think they did.. bang there is another source, and another quote. You should be able to get to "near double digits" pretty quick.

I now know how to double the size of my dangler. I just measure it twice and combine the result!

 

[keepngoal]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Pollard has to be feeling heat. Huge financial investments, a tanking program, an unconscionable contract for our coach. Flat out, the guy can't take much more bad press.

Not answering my questions?

 

[DeereClone]

Just checked back in and see that people are still defending Hines? How can you? The article was a joke and crap from the beginning. Anyone with a brain (apparently that doesn't include many here or in the national sports media) could see this by the sensationalized hotel story that was the main example used by Hines. This piece is giving us terrible press and was written using bad sources, stretching he truth, and out-right lies/misinformation. Now the article is being circulated as truth and these media outlets will not follow up and say the story was a sham.

And people are still defending the guy who wrote it and are mad at our AD?

 

[Clonefan32]

Somebody apparently does, because several of the allegations made by Hines' sources were just plain wrong.

What was flat wrong? I mean, there are perhaps some things that are open to different interpretations, but I still doubt multiple sources were inclined to just lie.

 

[IAStubborn]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I guess if I have nothing you can refute you might as well make up things I never said and attack me. I happen to think Pollard has plenty of issues and Hines is actually my favorite by far sports writer. But I'm the one with delusions so what do I know.

Interesting my feelings exactly

 

[SimpsonClone]

It's been said, but really I think Hines was trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Nearly everyone has a problem with their boss unless their name is Dwight Schrute, and even he didn't always see eye-to-eye with his boss.

People keep talking about the disingenuous actionf Hoiberg to refute the supposed rift between himself and JP. But let's focus on who is really being disingenuous in this story, the tribune. Hoiberg seemingly loved Ames and his position at the helm of the BB program. I am sure there are issues, but the whole hotel bit and suggestion that this is why Hoiberg left is pretty ******* out of line. You are drawing lines where there are no lines to be drawn. No job is perfect, but that doesn't always quantify leaving because of petty bs. Dumb article is dumb.

 

[BBHMagic]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Not even remotely what I said.

K. I guess I don't have any idea where your going with this then or what exactly your trying to say.

 

[SpokaneCY]

When the rumors of Fred leaving started swirling, I and many others on here said that JP needs to put a 5 million dollar per year offer on the table for Fred, and if he turns it down, then fine. But JP never did that. And that is partly why we are where we are today. People are still wondering what the truth was behind Fred leaving. Did JP do everything he could to keep him? If he would have put a huge deal on the table and made it public, and Fred turns it down, then JP can at least say he did what he could.

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About 35 pages ago someone claiming inside donor knowledge said boosters had agreed to come up with much more money but were told CFH would not make a long term commitment and would only go year-to-year. Donors not interested in annual salary drives. I did not fact-check but I did read it and there is a source.

 

[Clonefan32]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Not answering my questions?

Don't have an answer, but I'm not sure "no one else has every done a good job" is an excuse for his struggles.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Somebody apparently does, because several of the allegations made by Hines' sources were just plain LIES.

FIFY...

 

[carvers4math]

The worst part is that the stuff that has been debunked could have been checked by Hines and and is the part that is being sensationalized as the story spreads.

 

[19clone91]

I just spent all night looking through all 1000 posts. Man its been a long day.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Sounds like UAB loss burst the Fred bubble.

I agree with this its funny that the same people that were on the "there's something off with this team and Fred doesn't seem right" bandwagon all of last basketball season now seem to believe that everything was fine and this is all made up. This is exactly the kind of little stuff that builds up and gets in to a team.

 

[clonedude]

About 35 pages ago someone claiming inside donor knowledge said boosters had agreed to come up with much more money but were told CFH would not make a long term commitment and would only go year-to-year. Donors not interested in annual salary drives. I did not fact-check but I did read it and there is a source.

That still isn't reason enough to not throw the offer on the table. Offer Fred 25 million for 5 years and make the offer public. Then, if Fred turns it down, it sure makes it appear that the AD did about everything he could to keep him here but the dream of coaching in the NBA was just too great.

But don't come out and say... why should I offer him more money when I know he won't take it? That makes it sound like you aren't doing everything in your power to keep him here. Put the offer on the table and make Fred reject it.

 

[Die4Cy]

Ames Tribune really screwed the pooch on this one. There was a lot of reaching in the content of that story, and what was verifiable among the salacious bits was rather easily so, and wasn't. Hit piece, plain and simple.

Hines says he talked to Fred on background (not for comment) and unless Fred is completely lying with his comments this afternoon on KXNO--which is entirely possible, if not somewhat unbelievable--this thing never should have made it to print.

And if Fred did do a 180 on the story just to keep his own *** up on the pedestal for the folks back home, that reflects pretty badly on him. He talked to Hines on background weeks before this thing was published. The emphatic manner in which the story was summarily denied does not exactly square with that. Either Hines is inflating a series of minor gripes or Fred is downplaying a serious personality conflict that contributed to his leaving Ames. Can't really be somewhere in the middle without somebody lying outright.

 

[cyclone1975]

After I put on my tin foil hat I came to the realization that Leath has a hand in this. Nothing like emasculating your very powerful AD right before the big decision must be made about the future of the football program. When I take off my tinfoil hat this theory goes away.

 

[SimpsonClone]

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this tactic is used by journalists. I mean look at even the SI article title, "Report: Iowa State forced to sleep in hotel ballroom to save money". They even include Hoiberg's comments on his relationship with JP, but manage to skim over his comments on that particular event in which he said "We had to find 5 hours of stuff to do in Hawaii. Big deal."

Also, I am sure it has been posted, but maybe some people will like Randy Peterson more now. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

 

[vmbplayer]

This Article to me is indicative of a lot of what is wrong with media today, and doesn't actually indicate any problem at ISU. I think Blum told a story on a recent podcast or in a column about when he was writing for the ISU Daily and a staff advisor sat him down and told him you won't make it being positive in this business (paraphrasing). This article is that advice being put into practice.

I'm sure that Hines has 9 or 10 sources that have confirmed to him that they had to check out of a hotel room at noon for a 6 o'clock flight. I'm sure someone said it was bush league. I'm sure he confirmed administration families got included on flights and assistant coach families didn't. I'm sure he confirmed every fact he put in the story from multiple sources.

I'm also positive that a headline that says assistant coaches making $200,000 plus per year don't get free basketball tickets to give away to friends and family, or basketball team checks out of hotel at noon for 6 o'clock flight don't attract many readers.

But, if you put that all together in one big article and give it a shocking headline you can paint a picture of a massive problem that get's picked up on national outlets. Hines didn't do a thing another journalist wouldn't do, and he got all the proper sources on the info. He just sensationalized the hell out of it... it's the sad state of journalism.

What pisses me off about it is that this will now be used against ISU on the recruiting trail. ISU has a good thing going with the men's basketball program and a hometown newspaper is overblowing a minor story that will harm that success. Iowa State spent over $6 Million on mens basketball in 2014 (That's number 61 out of 349 division 1 teams). It's not like we're putting up the team at a motel 6 in the bad part of Detroit or sending them to Austin on a greyhound.