REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[Cyclonepride]

After I put on my tin foil hat I came to the realization that Leath has a hand in this. Nothing like emasculating your very powerful AD right before the big decision must be made about the future of the football program. When I take off my tinfoil hat this theory goes away.

When you take off the tinfoil hat, They can hear your thoughts. Just a helpful tip.

 

[JP4CY]

The worst part is that the stuff that has been debunked could have been checked by Hines and and is the part that is being sensationalized as the story spreads.

That's what I think too. I'm no journalist but for him to say he spent 4 to 5 months on this story is shocking. I mean, couldn't all of this info came out in a few hours sitting around the bar table with these sources and having a few too many.
If it's Watergate, sure that time frame makes sense, but for this article?

 

[SpokaneCY]

That still isn't reason enough to not throw the offer on the table. Offer Fred 25 million for 5 years and make the offer public. Then, if Fred turns it down, it sure makes it appear that the AD did about everything he could to keep him here but the dream of coaching in the NBA was just too great.

But don't come out and say... why should I offer him more money when I know he won't take it? That makes it sound like you aren't doing everything in your power to keep him here. Put the offer on the table and make Fred reject it.

It sounds as if the offer WAS made behind the scenes. And if true, I'm not sure there was much to be gained by publicizing it and forcing Fred's hand. I want to think about the politics of that though because I'm not not sure what the right thing to do was...

 

[IAStubborn]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

K. I guess I don't have any idea where your going with this then or what exactly your trying to say.

Your original premise I disagreed with was that Hoiberg would have no reason to refute that he didn't like pollard.I disagreed with that. I agree with statements you have made in other posts and think the story was largely crap and he buried the real lead with that crap.

 

[ISC]

After I put on my tin foil hat I came to the realization that Leath has a hand in this. Nothing like emasculating your very powerful AD right before the big decision must be made about the future of the football program. When I take off my tinfoil hat this theory goes away.

I actually had this exact thought. Seems like something Leath would do (as you can tell, i'm not a fan of his -> especially after the VEISHA thing).

 

[Pwnzrschreck]

Busy day...WTF happened here. Read the article, JP and The Mayor refuted it on the radio...did I miss anything else? Who are the people with pitchforks after?

 

[SpokaneCY]

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this tactic is used by journalists. I mean look at even the SI article title, "Report: Iowa State forced to sleep in hotel ballroom to save money". They even include Hoiberg's comments on his relationship with JP, but manage to skim over his comments on that particular event in which he said "We had to find 5 hours of stuff to do in Hawaii. Big deal."

Also, I am sure it has been posted, but maybe some people will like Randy Peterson more now. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

Solid opinion piece.

 

[CyclOwnd]

 

[SpokaneCY]

Busy day...WTF happened here. Read the article, JP and The Mayor refuted it on the radio...did I miss anything else? Who are the people with pitchforks after?

No way dude..... Wade through the thousand posts like the rest of us poor suckers.

 

[SimpsonClone]

Solid opinion piece.

Absolutely. He could have jumped on the media bandwagon and just sensationalized the **** out of Hines' article. Instead, he offered some journalistic insight. I'm no fan of Peterson, but it was nice to not see the same re-hashed, blown out of proportion bs.

 

[CyArob]

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this tactic is used by journalists. I mean look at even the SI article title, "Report: Iowa State forced to sleep in hotel ballroom to save money". They even include Hoiberg's comments on his relationship with JP, but manage to skim over his comments on that particular event in which he said "We had to find 5 hours of stuff to do in Hawaii. Big deal."

Also, I am sure it has been posted, but maybe some people will like Randy Peterson more now. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

Aw man, I hate agreeing with Randy.

 

[carvers4math]

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this tactic is used by journalists. I mean look at even the SI article title, "Report: Iowa State forced to sleep in hotel ballroom to save money". They even include Hoiberg's comments on his relationship with JP, but manage to skim over his comments on that particular event in which he said "We had to find 5 hours of stuff to do in Hawaii. Big deal."

Also, I am sure it has been posted, but maybe some people will like Randy Peterson more now. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-friction-randy-peterson/73119826/

Oh my, I agree with Randy Pete and Bode in the same day. I'm probably not safe to leave the house, but I am shocked Randy isn't taking the Hawk line of KXNO tweeting this crap out.

 

[Cydkar]

I still don't know why the Hines story even exists.

 

[BBHMagic]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Your original premise I disagreed with was that Hoiberg would have no reason to refute that he didn't like pollard.I disagreed with that. I agree with statements you have made in other posts and think the story was largely crap and he buried the real lead with that crap.

Damn. I guess that ends this debate. The internet is awesome. There's nothing like arguing about things you actually agree about.:spinny:

 

[bosco]

Pollard has a problem, no doubt. There are, however, also people who have some denial issues around Fred. I would bet that the hotel room thing is more normal than not and Fred perhaps expected more coming from an NBA environment. The other thing that kind of rubbed me the wrong way is that Fred demanded a salary which was completely fine with me, he interviewed with UM which is completely fine, but when it was suggested that maybe upping ticket prices was hitched to his contract somehow, he didn't like that. He wanted to leverage ISU (which is exactly what he did) but he didn't want the fanbase to think he was the type of guy to do that. I don't blame him for doing any of those things but don't get upset when people realize they have to pay more for their tickets so you don't go to Minnesota. It's not like the fans cared about paying more for that reason anyway.

Mobile high five

 

[ShopTalk]

Wow. Solid reporting there Cyclown ED. This report looks solid - I bet it took you 4-5 months to put it together. Has Hines seen this? He's going to be ****** he got scooped on the story.....

 

[carvers4math]

Somehow our players being forced to spend a few hours enjoying Hawaii instead of a hotel room will spin into a bigger story than decades of academic fraud throughout the UNC athletic department and programs.:spinny:

 

[Tre4ISU]

Hines's story basically was about the team checking out of a hotel on time and having to find somewhere to hang out for 5 hours and coaches having to pay taxes on free things they received.

Hey don't forget about the part where they were forced to forgo a long weekend at the NCAA tourney to go to Hawaii.

 

[bosco]

I don't know what he did, but it must not have been a huge secret. I had heard before that Fred didn't necessarily like JP. Apparently, Keith Murphy had heard the same. People act like the sources were some rogue, disgruntled former coaches. Who would that be? Who left the program on bad terms? Mann would be the only one I can think of. Again, I just can't imagine there are multiple people who are telling the same lie. There's something that was done or said by Fred that led people to believe this. I should say, there isn't anything inherently wrong with that. Fred wouldn't be the first person in the world to take issue with his boss. I just think it's disingenuous to come in now and say everyone's lying. Surely he has more important **** to be dealing with in the big leagues.

It's called speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Politicians do it all of the time.

 

[Wesley]

This Article to me is indicative of a lot of what is wrong with media today, and doesn't actually indicate any problem at ISU. I think Blum told a story on a recent podcast or in a column about when he was writing for the ISU Daily and a staff advisor sat him down and told him you won't make it being positive in this business (paraphrasing). This article is that advice being put into practice.

I'm sure that Hines has 9 or 10 sources that have confirmed to him that they had to check out of a hotel room at noon for a 6 o'clock flight. I'm sure someone said it was bush league. I'm sure he confirmed administration families got included on flights and assistant coach families didn't. I'm sure he confirmed every fact he put in the story from multiple sources.

I'm also positive that a headline that says assistant coaches making $200,000 plus per year don't get free basketball tickets to give away to friends and family, or basketball team checks out of hotel at noon for 6 o'clock flight don't attract many readers.

But, if you put that all together in one big article and give it a shocking headline you can paint a picture of a massive problem that get's picked up on national outlets. Hines didn't do a thing another journalist wouldn't do, and he got all the proper sources on the info. He just sensationalized the hell out of it... it's the sad state of journalism.

What pisses me off about it is that this will now be used against ISU on the recruiting trail. ISU has a good thing going with the men's basketball program and a hometown newspaper is overblowing a minor story that will harm that success. Iowa State spent over $6 Million on mens basketball in 2014 (That's number 61 out of 349 division 1 teams). It's not like we're putting up the team at a motel 6 in the bad part of Detroit or sending them to Austin on a greyhound.

So, are you now boycotting Hines?