REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[aauummm]

Re: Travis Hines-New Job

don't wish anyone to work that crappy company ... seriously. crappy.

I would love to be a mouse in the corner in the offices of the Ames Tribune this morning! Suppose that they'll get a call from the ISU Legal Department? I'm guessing that Hines will be out of a job (the editors should be also) by the end of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be

 

[randomfan44]

I don't see how that would have made Fred look bad. All it would do is reinforce the 'I'm following my dream' scenario and quiet the people who think/thought it was about money. No one faults someone for NOT following the money.

I am assuming that we are talking about a contract offer from Pollard to Hoiberg while he was still the ISU head coach and before he was interviewing for the Bulls job, correct? You don't think that Hoiberg receiving and turning down that contract would have massive negative backlash on Hoiberg? Recruiting would be essentially DEAD. No recruit in their right mind would sign with a coach that just turned down a 100% salary raise because they didn't want to be tied to the program by a big NBA buyout clause. recruiting was already negatively impacted just by the unsupported notion that Hoiberg MIGHT leave. Every interview he would give from that day forward would be about that and not the team and games they were playing. It would be an epic distraction. Fred would look like the biggest jerk EVER for turning that offer down.

 

[randomfan44]

Go **** yourself.

We all get it. You don't like my presence here. Your point is made. Feel free to put me on your ignore list.

 

[mctallerton]

We all get it. You don't like my presence here. Your point is made. Feel free to put me on your ignore list.

Didn't you out yourself on a permanent ignore list by getting banned?

 

[randomfan44]

you're ridiculous.

So is the notion that this reporter just thought all this stuff up out of the clear blue sky.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

We all get it. You don't like my presence here. Your point is made. Feel free to put me on your ignore list.

Why are you here troll?

 

[ajk4st8]

Im sad that the drama is slowing down. This site is at its best when it feels like its all a bunch of middle schools kids gossiping.

 

[GT25Ump]

This may have already have been asked or answered in this long *** thread, but is there audio of Hines talking to CW on the radio, yesterday?

 

[isutrevman]

Just like Nixon and Mitchell did?

Are you really drawing comparisons from watergate to a "feud" between Jamie Pollard and Fred Hoiberg? Thats the path we're going down here?

 

[isufbcurt]

So is the notion that this reporter just thought all this stuff up out of the clear blue sky.

No. I don't doubt people told him this stuff, BUT he didn't verify it with concrete evidence. I am sorry having someone tell you something (that may be driven by emotion) is not evidence, evidence would be examining a paper trail.

 

[isutrevman]

Again, it doesn't matter what they would have done. If the players, coaches and staff felt like it was a nickel and dime move that would never happen at one of those places then that's all that matters. SOMEONE in that ballroom was complaining about the situation to Hines and probably offloaded other examples of things that they felt was also nickel and dime stuff, that much is pretty clear. It's all about perception and the perception is that teams like Duke and Kentucky don't do things like that and that if ISU wants to rise to that level then they shouldn't be doing that kind of stuff, either. That's all I am saying. There is no "right or wrong" when it comes to perception.

The head of the basketball program didn't have a problem with it, that's pretty much all you need to know.. I highly doubt any players had a problem with it. What players in the history of Iowa State basketball have come here instead of Duke or Kentucky anyway? All our recruits are going to start choosing Duke and Kentucky over Iowa State because of this?

 

[aauummm]

Jamie's & Fred's side of the story

EXACTLY! When we went on our honeymoon in Hawaii our flight back home didn't leave till 6 or 8pm so we spent the afternoon enjoying our last few hours in a place we may be lucky to ever get back to again some day. It makes no sense to have a hotel room for another night you aren't staying there so I don't know how common sense was considered nickel and diming

Exactly. My son and his girlfriend did the same thing last year in Hawaii. He's not dumb enough to pay for a motel room that he would only use until 4-6 PM that evening!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Again, it doesn't matter what they would have done. If the players, coaches and staff felt like it was a nickel and dime move that would never happen at one of those places then that's all that matters. SOMEONE in that ballroom was complaining about the situation to Hines and probably offloaded other examples of things that they felt was also nickel and dime stuff, that much is pretty clear. It's all about perception and the perception is that teams like Duke and Kentucky don't do things like that and that if ISU wants to rise to that level then they shouldn't be doing that kind of stuff, either. That's all I am saying. There is no "right or wrong" when it comes to perception.

With all due respect, yes, there is. There is even a word for it: delusion.

You can work at the best, most employee-friendly place in the entire world, but if you look hard enough and talk to enough people you will certainly find individuals who will happily complain to you about everything. Doesn't make them "right or wrong" in their perceptions, but it can definitely be inaccurate, unreasonable, delusional, or flat out stupid as hell.

If you look for something hard enough and are willing to disregard any and all conflicting information, you will eventually find exactly what you are looking for.

 

[Gossamer]

Are you really drawing comparisons from watergate to a "feud" between Jamie Pollard and Fred Hoiberg? Thats the path we're going down here?

in that there were anonymous sources in both scenarios, yes...in terms of importance?...not even close.

 

[jbhtexas]

There is no "right or wrong" when it comes to perception.

If you perceive that an injustice is being done to you when in reality no injustice is being done to you, then your perception is nonsensical.

I generate a little bit of garbage every day. If I perceive that the city is nickel and diming me because they don't come and pick up my garbage every day, I am certainly welcome to that perception, but it is a nonsensical perception because of the extreme amount of money and resources that would be wasted to send out a truck every day to pick up a couple of candy bar wrappers that are causing no harm to anyone by sitting in my trash can until the next scheduled garbage pick-up day.

That's pretty much what happened with this stupid ballroom saga. Hines took someone's distorted, exaggerated, entitlement-laden perception and tried to turn it into a legitimate issue. His job was to fully investigate that perception to determine whether it was reasonable or not. If he had done his job, he would have found the perception to be unreasonable, and dropped it.

 

[brett108]

in that there were anonymous sources in both scenarios, yes...in terms of importance?...not even close.

How about in terms of corroborating evidence? It is also not close between the two.

 

[CycloneErik]

Just like Nixon and Mitchell did?

When public figures are emphatic that a report isn't true, you can pretty much count on the report being true. It goes that way every time.

 

[Gossamer]

How about in terms of corroborating evidence? It is also not close between the two.

only because the entire watergate issue has been vetted and proven true...but in the beginning, the reporters made some bold decision with some questionable information...maybe there will be more on this story. I hope not though and honestly don't care. We are playing KU in two days.

 

[aauummm]

Jamie's & Fred's side of the story

If you perceive that an injustice is being done to you when in reality no injustice is being done to you, then your perception is nonsensical.

I generate a little bit of garbage every day. If I perceive that the city is nickel and diming me because they don't come and pick up my garbage every day, I am certainly welcome to that perception, but it is a nonsensical perception because of the extreme amount of money and resources that would be wasted to send out a truck every day to pick up a couple of candy bar wrappers that are causing no harm to anyone by sitting in my trash can until the next scheduled garbage pick-up day.

That's pretty much happened with this stupid ballroom saga Hines took someone's distorted, exaggerated, entitlement-laden perception and tried to turn it into a legitimate issue. His job was to fully investigate that perception to determine whether it was reasonable or not. If he had done his job, he would have found the perception to be unreasonable, and dropped it.

Very well said. And now the Ames Tribune is in hot water rather they know it or not. They probably will not have any press credentials to ISU events from now on. Some big donors will hammer on them. Ex-players and staff will speak up.

The New York hedge fund that owns the Ames Tribune will wonder whats going on after they receive some calls from well-placed ISU alumni and lawyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be

 

[Gunnerclone]

How about in terms of corroborating evidence? It is also not close between the two.

You're missing the point. Refuting something doesn't mean that it is some flawless victory for Pollard on Hines like I'm seeing here.