REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[clone52]

Actually that is the ONLY thing I did buy not from JP and Fred's response. They're both professional. I don't think they'd air their dirty laundry in public.

There is a difference between airing dirty laundry and supporting each other. If they truly didn't get along very well, Pollard is saying an awful lot of stuff and putting an awful lot of words in Fred's mouth. Fred called Jamie and warned him about the story. If Fred didn't get along with Jamie, why would he do that? Because he really cares about not hurting ISU? If thats the case, then why not work with Hines to help him write a true and accurate piece about Pollard? There are hundreds of fans on the message board that think Pollard is holding the athletic department back and the whole point of the article was to imply that Pollard drove Fred away. If Fred truly believed that and truly loved Iowa State, why on Earth would he be going public supporting Pollard, the guy who apparently was holding Hoiberg back and is apparently holding the entire department back?

Don't give me this "Hoiberg doesn't want to tarnish his reputation" crap either. If Pollard is as bad as some people make him out to be, then Hoiberg being the guy to drive him out of Iowa State wouldn't tarnish his reputation, it would enhance his reputation.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Its called damage control people. Of course there is truth to the article. Everyone lives in the same drama infested social looking glass society right? We won't know what happened and that is the point. CYA.

 

[IAStubborn]

What drives the market? What other employers would pay Fred more than he was making at Iowa State? Very few. Fred was worth more to Iowa State than to anyone else, so they definitely should over pay for him, but there is no hard evidence that they could have kept him. Now if donors were willing to shell out $25 million to keep him and Fred would have accepted it, then Pollard made a big mistake, but those are just rumors and there are other rumors that disagree with those rumors.

Are you kidding? Fred just signed a contract paying him 5m a year and yes any major college would pay him more than we were. This is crazy talk.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Its called damage control people. Of course there is truth to the article. Everyone lives in the same drama infested social looking glass society right? We won't know what happened and that is the point. CYA.

The truth has been refuted. Why are you ignoring that?

 

[KnappShack]

I would imagine that Fred has the ability to severely damage or end JP's career at ISU with just a few words. He could paint JP as "running him off" and still remain the Goldenboy. But Fred hasn't done that.

I'm sure there's CYA. I'm sure someone has it out for JP. Until Fred puts JP on blast I'm going with the company's story and hoping we can quickly put distance between ISU and Fred for a while.

Long live the Prohm Era

 

[IAStubborn]

Thanks for your insight. This leads me to believe they wanted $ to go to Fred directly, or wanted a massive facility upgrade that JP turned down.

Basketball dorms, Hoi-plane for the team, Hilton upgrade.....

 

[zmanzbo]

When are we going to hit 100 pages?? Can't wait to find out! <@

 

[clone52]

My only thng with this is as follows:

If these big donors are willing to give money to the AD but JP turned it down why remain annonymous? I guarantee you if I had $50 million to give ISU and said this money is to be used for the NEZ Project, but JP said "thanks but no thanks we don't want to build that right now." My next call ould have been to President Leath to make my offer and if he turned it down my final call would have been to a reporter to come interview me and put my story out there.

I guess if you have big donors upset because they want to give money for a particular purpose and it was turned away why remain annonymous?

Probably because those big donors really would love to fully control the athletic department (like we all would) and they only way they can really do that is financially. If their intention was to get control over parts of the athletic department, going public about their donations would not be helpful in that.

 

[IAStubborn]

I keep thinking about Fred saying he told him that it wasn't true and not to publish the article and Hines saying that Fred was never available for comment. Perhaps Fred saw how badly the truth was being twisted and he demanded that any on the record comments be published in full or not at all so that Hines didn't take any of his comments out of context. When Hines refused he simply said that he had no on the record comments. I don't know if that happened but it would seem to make sense.

As far as Jamie, I can understand why he wouldn't want to be ambushed on the day of the publishing deadline. It probably appeared to him that the article was complete and anything he said would simply be a footnote in an article that he had already been tipped off by Fred as full of half truths and inaccuracies to put it mildly. I know you don't always get the luxury of telling the press "no - I'm not going to be ambushed by you if you have already made up your mind", but he obviously thought he wasn't going to go through that again. Would Hines have missed the deadline if JP had told him that he could provide documentation that allegations were untrue if given a couple of days? His response to Fred when told that it wasn't true and not to publish it suggests to me the answer is no.

Fred didn't say he told Travis anything. Jamie said Fred said that.

 

[clone52]

The Market disagrees with you and it is what determines value. Not ncaa victories.

So we should have offered Fred $5 million/year 5 years ago?

 

[clone52]

Fred didn't say he told Travis anything. Jamie said Fred said that.

If Fred loves Iowa State and our AD is putting false words into Fred's mouth, I would hope that Fred could call Pollard out on that. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes.

 

[IAStubborn]

Yea, I am not sure how any donor thought the smear piece was gonna help Iowa State.

They were hoping that with it would start the march to his termination would be my guess.

 

[Spam]

So we should have offered Fred $5 million/year 5 years ago?

No, the market determined price for Fred 5 years ago was obviously not 5m

 

[IAStubborn]

Keith asked both JP and Fred about it, I thought JP refuted it pretty well, from his perspective. When asked, I didn't think it seemed like it was a big deal to Fred.

And to be accurate, JP claimed that the AD never claimed 'the average salary' and the top 10 line, that was all from external media using the average contract salary to rank the coaches' salaries. He said both CFH and CPR chose on their own to sign longer contracts with back-loaded raises, which technically raises their average contract salary above what they are making the actual year in question.

Listen to it again he mumbled about not reading the whole article and wabt sure in that accusation and the pivoted back to the big picture and changed the subject by saying (to paraphrase) "jamie and I got along he wasn't why I left"

 

[bosco]

Wow. I realize now this has nothing to do with Fred and JP's relationship. The "sources" have an agenda and that is to remove JP from the AD position.

Hines is being used by being presented with "facts" from "sources" that collaborate each other. They are trying to use Fred and JP's relationship as leverage to make a crack into JP's position.

If there is enough of an uproar then JP can be removed and the "sources" can then get the AD that they feel will take ISU to the next level.

 

[Spam]

Keith asked both JP and Fred about it, I thought JP refuted it pretty well, from his perspective. When asked, I didn't think it seemed like it was a big deal to Fred.

And to be accurate, JP claimed that the AD never claimed 'the average salary' and the top 10 line, that was all from external media using the average contract salary to rank the coaches' salaries. He said both CFH and CPR chose on their own to sign longer contracts with back-loaded raises, which technically raises their average contract salary above what they are making the actual year in question.

Well there was this ("public" university)

 

[carvers4math]

They were hoping that with it would start the march to his termination would be my guess.

Seems there would be better ways to do this than exaggerate and flat out lie while simultaneously damaging our basketball recruiting.

 

[jbhtexas]

Seems there would be better ways to do this than exaggerate and flat out lie while simultaneously damaging our basketball recruiting.

If this scheme was indeed planned to push out Pollard, it speaks volumes about whoever was behind it. Also, whoever is doing it should probably give up the cloak-and-dagger stuff because they aren't very good at it...

 

[06_CY]

Well there was this ("public" university)

Watch out. He will figure out your handle and block you.

 

[KnappShack]

If this scheme was indeed planned to push out Pollard, it speaks volumes about whoever was behind it. Also, whoever is doing it should probably give up the cloak-and-dagger stuff because they aren't very good at it...

Absolutely. Step out of the shadows, nut up, and reveal yourself.

This cloak and dagger BS around a college program is unsavory