REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

IAStubborn

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The article said something about a ballroom filled with bodies. Seems like a stretch. I don't doubt that there is some truth to some of the allegations. Pollard is slippery as they come. Last night I posted a Pollard tweet from last year touting Hoiberg's "top 10 public university salary"....and Pollard had just been on the radio saying that the university never portrayed Hoiberg's salary that way, and it was media sources.

But the hotel part just seems ridiculous. I do agree that one's free to believe or not believe.

It was in Pollard's press release about the deal which he said it wasn't.
 

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Are we still talking about Hawaii trip? Come on. Can we just get along and move on? :rolleyes:
 

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Don't give me that ****. Kansas has a frigging set of basketball luxury suites. We're competing against the big boys now, and we're going to continue losing recruiting battles. We've had it with this nickel and dime ****. How is Coach supposed to take care of his players with no hot water and no therapy? Hopefully he's going now to go get that ***** on the phone.

Pollard wouldn't even approve Hoiberg's request for alternative jerseys. This is the kind of **** Hines should have focused on as Jeremy alluded too.
 

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It was in Pollard's press release about the deal which he said it wasn't.

If I were Fred, and my salary was being trumpeted by my employer to be a top 10 public university salary-- when it fact it wasn't --- I'd be livid as hell.

But I'm not Fred. And I suppose Fred is more forgiving than I am.
 

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Just checking back in this thread. Are we back to hating Pollard or do we still hate Hines?
 

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Nobody is saying it isn't true. In fact I think we can say with 100% confidence that the team did in fact check out of the hotel at noon and piled all their luggage into a ballroom in the hotel. We can also be extremely confident that some portion of the team was tired/hungover and just slept there rather than doing anything else. The reason it is getting dismissed isn't because it isn't true. It is getting dismissed because it wasn't a big deal, at all, and wasn't evidence of the team being "nickel and dimed". And most importantly it certainly wasn't worth leading the story with, sensationally acting like the team had to spend the night in the ballroom right after winning the tournament because the AD was to cheap to get rooms for them overnight.

Coaches paying for their family to fly to NCAAs is 100% true as well. Hines just left out all context to make the story seem bad when in fact they only had to pay because they chose to bring their family to Hawaii instead.

Judoka sums it up perfectly and should end the thread. The entire problem is that the sources made sweeping claims and the supporting evidence for the claims were complete non-issues when we learned the very basic context.

By the way, did you know Fred wants his kids to starve? He denied them food, a source close to the family shared. That's right, once time he did not let them eat candy 20 minutes before dinner.

Fred also blames his wife for their financial struggles. When the family was discussing what house to buy in Chicago, he brought up that they still had to account for their unsold house in Ames. The house that SHE convinced him to buy. Fred's a jerk. He needs to stop nickel and diming his family.
 

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If I were Fred, and my salary was being trumpeted by my employer to be a top 10 public university salary-- when it fact it wasn't --- I'd be livid as hell.

But I'm not Fred. And I suppose Fred is more forgiving than I am.

You are clearly just jealous of Fred. I know I am.
 

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Just checking back in this thread. Are we back to hating Pollard or do we still hate Hines?


Hines has been refuted by every public source (almost double-digits) that has come forward. Fred put the hammer on Hines. He has been discredited and now is in a world of hurt. Lesson for Hines: Do not challenge The Mayor, he wins every time.
 
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If I were Fred, and my salary was being trumpeted by my employer to be a top 10 public university salary-- when it fact it wasn't --- I'd be livid as hell.

But I'm not Fred. And I suppose Fred is more forgiving than I am.

Yeah there's a pretty big gap between "Top 10 out of public schools nationally" and 7th out of 10 in the Big 12
 

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I love the part where Hoiberg details exactly what his twins were doing at the time and then says he doesn't remember what happened: “My twins were going out and swimming in the pools with the players. It was a really fun thing to watch them interact with our players. It’s not a big deal. It was not a big deal to me, and I honestly don’t even remember that happening.â€￾ Too funny.


Ever think that maybe it was a way he phrased it to say, "It never happened." I've use that phrase a lot of times with things that someone else claims happened, but I either don't remember it happening that way or don't remember it happening at all. It's a situation where someone is claiming something happened, so to be diplomatic and not call them a liar directly, you just say, I don't remember that happening.

I took it as a dig on the sources. Saying, "Hey, I remember all this specific stuff that was happening at that time. So me saying that I don't remember this happening, is me calling the source a liar, without calling him a liar."
 

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Have there been allegations of cutting corners on recruiting budget? Recruiting budget is a small enough part of the overall budget -- and recruiting budget is not that different school to school. It doesn't tell us much.

Oh I know. I post that there to answer someone who questioned our recruiting and need to compete with other big boys.
 

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Hines has been refuted by every public source (almost double-digits) that has come forward. Fred put the hammer on Hines. He has been discredited and now is in a world of hurt. Lesson for Hines: Do not challenge The Mayor, he wins every time.

why do you keep intimating this?
 

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Ya that might be true but how do you know he doesn't have to submit a plan to the AD and get it approved? And if anything happens and something needs to get done on the fly then it has to go back to the AD because it wasn't in the original plan. Not saying it does but there's a million things that are at play here and a lot of people are pretending like they know exactly how things work and paint with a really nice "prove it" brush.

I'm just saying this because ESPN had a big hand in paying for this trip so I'm wondering if they were also in on the travel planning side?

Typically with tournaments the hotels are pre-selected by the tournament itself and the schools do not have a choice in where they are staying, they are assigned it. Also, every hotel is able to set their own rate that is contracted to the tournament, not the school, so some of the teams may have been paying $40 more per room per night than another school because of where they were assigned to stay, and there is nothing the school can do about it as ESPN/NCAA is paying the rooms tab for the contracted nights thru the travel allowance, which is based on the rate being charged.

Any extra days added are at whatever rate the hotel determines since it falls outside of the contracted rate/dates. If the room rate for the tournament was $200 per night, then the extra time they wanted could have been $300 (or more) per room for the extra 6 hours of time to stay in the room.


Edited to add: The NCAA tournament the highest seeded team in a location gets first pick of tournament selected hotel for the Big Dance, and then downwards from there. Other tournaments are usually you get what you get (with the good teams being taken care of first)
 
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