Big12 being shut out of CFB playoff is better for ISU, better for Big 12

[surly]

It's more important to hold a championship game than expand to twelve, although I wouldn't be disappointed in the latter happening. Always have believed that the league's ignorance and arrogance in not moving forward with the game was a fundamental structural flaw that put it at considerable risk of not surviving. Only OU and UT would be truly secure if that were to ever happen.

 

[Skidoosh]

It is more likely that the big 12 falls apart then we add 2 more teams, so... no.

Also I don't know about you but I'm tired of the slobbing of B10 and SEC knobs all the time.

 

[TheSammo]

1. Big12 will not take action to expand unless it is an urgent matter (being denied playoffs)
2. Big12 is an unstable conference until it expands

See Chris Williams' quote about challenges to recruiting a head coach to ISU
"Facilities are better at Iowa State but the overall perception of the job (nationally) is unfortunately not much different thanks to the Big 12’s current nine-game conference schedule. Multiple sources within the coaching/agent ranks confirmed this to me throughout the day on Sunday."

 

[HFCS]

1. Big12 will not take action to expand unless it is an urgent matter (being denied playoffs)
2. Big12 is an unstable conference until it expands

See Chris Williams' quote about challenges to recruiting a head coach to ISU
"Facilities are better at Iowa State but the overall perception of the job (nationally) is unfortunately not much different thanks to the Big 12’s current nine-game conference schedule. Multiple sources within the coaching/agent ranks confirmed this to me throughout the day on Sunday."

This accurate perception is apparent to all coaches because they are honest about their future. This reality is ignored by the CFP committee and large swaths of the media because they are stooges and hacks.

 

[Incyte]

Better chance that the conference explodes than adds two teams if we get left out. IMO rooting for the B12 to be left out is equivalent to rooting for ISU to be relegated to the AAC.

 

[VeloClone]

No it wouldn't be.

If the two teams in the mix last year would have been named Texas and Oklahoma there is a pretty darn good chance the Big 12 gets two in rather than zero. It has nothing to do with 10 or 12 teams or a championship game - it has everything to do with a popularity contest and the make up of the committee. There should be some element of a computer ranking included to at least partially balance out the opinions of members of the committee who have a vested interest in particular conferences getting slot or two in the playoff. I'm not sure how the BCS selection system was worse than this Charlie Foxtrot we have now.

 

[TheSammo]

Better chance that the conference explodes than adds two teams if we get left out. IMO rooting for the B12 to be left out is equivalent to rooting for ISU to be relegated to the AAC.

"...Big 12 is going to have to expand to not only level the playoff playing field with the other Power 5 conferences, but improve the psychological perception of the league (see this week's playoff rankings) before the next round of realignment, which could go down in the next 6-7 years. After getting hammered by two rounds of realignment, the Big 12 would be the most vulnerable to get picked apart again. The Big 12 needs to change its national narrative, and expansion would go a long way in achieving that."
Quote is from ESPN Big12 analyst two weeks ago, at this link:
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/...bag-breaking-down-the-big-12s-playoff-chances

 

[CyFan61]

"...Big 12 is going to have to expand to not only level the playoff playing field with the other Power 5 conferences, but improve the psychological perception of the league (see this week's playoff rankings) before the next round of realignment, which could go down in the next 6-7 years. After getting hammered by two rounds of realignment, the Big 12 would be the most vulnerable to get picked apart again. The Big 12 needs to change its national narrative, and expansion would go a long way in achieving that."
Quote is from ESPN Big12 analyst two weeks ago, at this link:
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/...bag-breaking-down-the-big-12s-playoff-chances

Again, the worst possible way to improve your perception nationally is by adding schools from the American Conference in a futile attempt to bolster yourself.

How is a conference with Memphis and Cincinnati perceived better at the Power 5 level? (It's not)

 

[CyFan61]

The more likely outcome is the Big 12 adds a championship game if it gets left out again, since the NCAA now allows those for conferences of under 12 teams.

I imagine we'd keep the round-robin and everything else, and just send the top two teams to Jerryworld on CCG weekend like the other major conferences.

I don't love that idea, but I don't hate it either, and it's much better than expanding with scraps.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Big 12 is screwed in the playoff because we have one no name on a 13 person committee while other P5 conferences have 2 or 3 including some football legends. The CCG was just some nonsense excuse they made up at the last minute to screw out TCU.

I will absolutely guarantee that Notre Dame will not drop 3 spots in the final ranking if they win their last game by 50 because they don't play a 13th game. Guarantee.

Some things the playoff could actually do to help the Big 12 get deserved playoff representation:
-Go back to BCS ranking or some ranking that includes a computer component. Oklahoma is in or nearly in right now with the old BCS because they're likely 2 or 3 in the computer average 3rd.

-If we're only allowed one member to the Big Ten, Pac 12 and SEC all having 2 or 3 let's make that one member some sort of huge personality legend, not the Tech AD nobody has every heard of.

-How about mix up the committee every year like they do for hoops?

-How about allowing each conference to put two people of their choosing on the committee. We could even have 2 to the other conferences 3 since we're a smaller league, it's still drastically better than the biased slant it has now.

Or we could add two teams and a CCG that will make absolutely zero difference, but I agree give ISU an Iowa-like schedule every once in a while instead of this brutal round robin every year. We'd still play 9 games and 4 south teams, it's never going to be 5 and 3 like it used to be, it'll be 5 and 4 dodging just two teams, not like the Big Ten/SEC/ACC where they now dodge five teams from cross division every year.

This. They whole thing is a gamed joke and a Big 12 champ game isn't going to change anything.

 

[Wesley]

No expansion ever. Please. Ten is best.

B12 is still lacking a fix for end of year.

 

[Clonefan94]

Championship game is not the reason, it's just the excuse they use. Notre Dame doesn't play a championship game, how will they get in?

It's because we don't have good representation on a committee that has other conferences with multiple reps. I don't understand how it's even fair that conferences didn't just get 1 rep each, either that or 2 reps each. We could have a championship game this year and they would come up with another excuse for why they didn't pick a Big 12 team. We are just conveniently playing into their excuse for now.

 

[Wesley]

Championship game is not the reason, it's just the excuse they use. Notre Dame doesn't play a championship game, how will they get in?

It's because we don't have good representation on a committee that has other conferences with multiple reps. I don't understand how it's even fair that conferences didn't just get 1 rep each, either that or 2 reps each. We could have a championship game this year and they would come up with another excuse for why they didn't pick a Big 12 team. We are just conveniently playing into their excuse for now.

We just have a pile of one loss teams. What do we expect?

 

[Clonefan94]

We just have a pile of one loss teams. What do we expect?

I don't really expect anything to be honest. I just think it's screwy the way the committee is set up. EVeryone should have equal representation or it should be an independent group. Of course AD's from the Big 10 and SEC are going to vote for Big 10 or SEC teams, it means more to their own bottom dollar and their livelihood.

 

[TheSammo]

In response to the various people who have said that adding Cincy, Memphis, etc. does not strengthen the Big12: You sound like what I imagine the leadership of Texas sounds like. The problem is that the B1G will come poaching before the Big 12 Grant of Rights is up. B1G would like Kansas. Actually, B1G would like Kansas and Oklahoma, and would accept K-State and Okie State if their state legislatures made that a required part of the deal. B1G does not want Iowa State and the Iowa legislature would have no say in the matter. If the Big 12 loses of any one school it would scramble to backfill and it would not be Notre Dame who filled in, it would be Cincy or Memphis or BYU or UCF or USF. So the Big 12 can either expand now and take action to stabilize or they can wait to be poached.

 

[cycfan1]

Please merge with the ACC. Add Louisville and Pitt to the big 12 division and have a conference championship game. Play everyone in basketball and 9 in football and force the SEC PAC and BIG10s hand for a change.

 

[randomfan44]

Please merge with the ACC. Add Louisville and Pitt to the big 12 division and have a conference championship game. Play everyone in basketball and 9 in football and force the SEC PAC and BIG10s hand for a change.

The ACC already has 14 schools. The only way we get some ACC schools is if the ACC is disbanded and picked clean by the other conferences.

 

[CyForPresident]

Add a tentative championship game. In a year when there is clear out right winner, you don't hold one. In a year where there is a tie (2012, 2014, 2015), you hold a championship rematch at Jerryworld and bid out the game to the highest TV network.

Adding teams is just going to dilute our product.

 

[CyBobby]

If the Media er TV and its sponsors had their way, they would have the following teams every year: Notre Dame with their Natl fanbase.....

Ohio State/ Michigan.... East Coast- Midwest Fanbase with tons of TV sets

Alabama Traditional SEC Power covers the south

Univ of Southern California....Household name-Traditional West Coast power and then again tons of tv sets

This playoff system is all about making money using eyeballs on tv sets to fulfill this task.

Not many tv sets by comparison in big xii country..............Its easy to see that the selectors really want long time traditional powers..........

My neighbor is Honked off because thee unbeaten squawkeyes cant get any respect good luck ioa...LOL

 

[klamath632]

Please merge with the ACC. Add Louisville and Pitt to the big 12 division and have a conference championship game. Play everyone in basketball and 9 in football and force the SEC PAC and BIG10s hand for a change.

That's an intriguing thought.

* Tell Notre Dame to get bent
* Four six-team divisions.
* Play five games against the teams in your division every year.
* Play three games against another division, and rotate that division every year. A school will have played every other team in the conference once every six years. Not great, but hey, at least we're still in P5 right?
* Play a ninth game against yet another division-- the team that finished in the same place in their division as you did in yours. (1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc.)
* The two #1 teams that win their ninth game play each other in the conference championship game.

Is it possible to play 23 conference basketball games? If not, double-round robin against your division (10 games) plus one game against every team in another division (6 games) and rotate the division your division plays against every year.